The false notion that undocumented immigrants affect federal elections has a long history. But this year, due in part to rising migration at the U.S. southern border, the idea could have new potency.
The false notion that undocumented immigrants affect federal elections has a long history. But this year, due in part to rising migration at the U.S. southern border, the idea could have new potency.
For fuck’s sake dude! I did and do read! I hope you do as well. Clearly you haven’t thus-far.
You’ve not been able to show any risk at all to any people for voting while ineligible.
If you believe that only eligible voters can register and 100% of ineligible voters are caught then you’re delusional. I worked on a college campus during the voting registration pushes by several organizations. I’ve seen students who are here on student visa’s successfully register to vote. Now you think an automatic process will somehow be better? No part of registering my car proves I’m a citizen. Why would voter registration be attached to this process at all?
Personal anecdotes aren’t super convincing. People can fill out whatever paperwork they want. That doesn’t mean any of it gets approved.
The person at the polls knows if you’re registered or not. To register you need to be a citizen.
I’ve told you what the risk is, you just don’t want to hear it.
I don’t have to show an ID to vote, but I have to tell the person there my name and address. If someone else wants to vote as me it’s going to look pretty funny when the name has already been checked.
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19-aliens-charged-voter-fraud-north-carolina-following-ice-investigation
Please find me “deportation” on this list of actual cases found where illegal aliens voted. You didn’t tell me any risk and even the “risks” on this page is all “if convicted”. You live in some fantasy world where you think everyone gets caught for everything and that voter registration is always 100% accurate. You can literally search for cases where people have registered perfectly fine but shouldn’t have been allowed to (one such example since I have it ready from another post. https://www.npr.org/2022/12/21/1144265521/florida-voter-fraud-cases-prosecution-update). To live under some fantasy that this doesn’t happen just show how disingenuous you are on the matter. The sheer numbers by which all this stuff happens should tell you that there is no real risk… illegal aliens are voting and most likely never get caught.
Ok, so you just proved what people risk by voting illegally and that they get caught for doing so:
You’ve answered your own question and didn’t even need my help in the first place.
The Florida case is about felons and not relevant to a discussion specifically about non-citizens.
Not according to any of the statistics.
So a case about a voting card being issued to somebody isn’t relevant to a group of individuals who shouldn’t have cards issued either?
I’m sorry, but you’re beyond my help if you can’t think of how that might apply.
Callous self-correctness loving asses with I ill-equipped imaginations.
What risks does the illegal face in any action that exposes them to discovery in our empathy starved, systemic abusing system?
The same one that keeps them walking amongst a populace that both hates them and loves to exploit them…
The fact that whatever the hell it was they ran from and risked for getting in illegally into the US despite all the horrors that itself brings was actually a
worsebetter choice than putting up with living with dumbass rhetoric like this.These are people seeking a life, not willing political pawns coming here to give a fuck about our game of thrones.
They’re not being deported. Click the first link. ctrl+f “deport”. Notice there’s 0 results. Deportation is not a risk for a federal crime for illegally voting.
There is no risk of them being returned to whatever you seem to think they’re running from.
Deportation is absolutely a risk for unlawful voting.
If the non-citizen is here unlawfully, they are always subject to deportation if ICE becomes aware of them, which may happen by referral during a criminal prosecution.
Even if they are here lawfully, they become deportable if they vote unlawfully per 8 USC 1227(6)(A): “Any alien who has voted in violation of any Federal, State, or local constitutional provision, statute, ordinance, or regulation is deportable.”
The reason “deportation” is not mentioned in the press release you cite is because removal is a separate proceeding, not part of the criminal proceeding (which is what the press release is about). They have to be convicted of the crime first, and then removal proceedings can be initiated.
Even if removal proceedings are not brought against them for some reason, they will still potentially suffer consequences for a conviction (in addition to the criminal punishment). For example, unlawful voting may prevent naturalization of a lawful non-citizen under 8 USC 1427 because they do not have the requisite good moral character.
Moreover, if they falsified documents to vote unlawfully, they may be found to have committed an aggravated felony, which means they face expedited removal proceedings, they can never get a green card, never become naturalized, can not be eligible for asylum, and can never reenter the US. See 8 USC 1158, 1182, & 1228.