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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2 years ago

Time: Ukraine Can't Win the War

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Time: Ukraine Can't Win the War

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2 years ago
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Ukraine Can't Win the War
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There is no realistic chance of total Ukrainian victory next year, or the year after that.
  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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    Russia is literally the biggest country in the world with massive natural resources and very low population density. The idea that Russia will sacrifice its relatively small population for the sake of additional territorial gains is preposterous.

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      They’re literally doing that right now, though

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        They’re fighting against NATO expansion to Russia’s border which they have been warning against for over a decade now. Even Stoltenberg admits this now:

        The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that. So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

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          I thought Putin said it was because “Ukraine is a neo-nazi regime”?

          No, wait, he said it was because the west were using Ukraine to base their weapons

          Oh, nevermind, I forgot that there is no such thing as Ukraine, it’s all part of Russia

          Oh, or is it because the west are gay paedophilic gender-neutral-god-worshipping heathens

          Or was it because Ukraine was planning to pretend Russia nuked them first so that they could actually declare war on Russia

          Ah, was it to defend Donetsk and Luhansk’s independence? Or are they part of Russia?

          Or is it that Ukraine has a government with no control, where the streets of Kiev are a lawless purge?

          I seem to have lost track of why he’s invading. Could you clarify for me?

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            Ukraine being a neo-nazi regime doing ethnic cleansing in Donbas and planning to host NATO weapons that can strike within Russia are precisely in line with the problem of NATO expansion. Incredible that you’re unable to understand how a single overarching problem can have multiple aspects to it. Hope that clarified things for you.

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              And how do the gay paedophile heretics fit into your overarching problem?

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                Wait till you find out what the banderite stance on gay pedophile heretics is.

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            It’s pretty hilarious how nearly everything you listed as if they’re contradictory points actually come together rather comprehensively to support the thesis that Russia is having to fight a belligerent NATO. And the one item that doesn’t fit wasn’t ever claimed by Russia to be a reason for the conflict.

            I seem to have lost track of why he’s invading.

            I don’t know what anyone can do for you to cure your confusion when you can’t even connect the dots between the very things you are linking.

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            The same reason US would be against Russia turning Mexico into a battering ram against US. Meanwhile, the idea that Russia wants to take back former Soviet states is so utterly laughable. It already took Russia two years just to take on the NATO proxy in Ukraine. It’s pretty clear that it would be a far bigger effort to actually take on NATO directly. Anybody with a functioning brain can see that the whole idea is absurd. Yet, here you are…

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                NATO has literally been expanding and invading countries for decades. Yugoslavia, Libya, Afghanistan, and Syria are just few examples. In fact, US currently occupies a larger portion of Syria than Russia is of Ukraine. Claiming that NATO is a defensive alliance is the height of intellectual dishonesty.

                And let’s just look at a few facts about Crimea from a US government study. First thing to note is that it was never part of Ukraine proper. US government referred to it as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Second thing to note is that majority of the people in Crimea do not consider themselves Ukrainian, and the biggest demographic considers themselves Russian:

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                  None of those were NATO. It wasn’t a NATO decision or responsibility. Each country involved made their own choices.

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                    Why would you lie like that. Not only were these NATO adventures, what Russia is doing in Ukraine is directly modelled on what NATO did to Yugoslavia where NATO recognized separatist regions and had them invite NATO to help. That’s what Russia did with LPR and DPR. Just following the rules based order there.

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                NATO is a purely defensive alliance, not a battering ram.

                You can definitely see how this isn’t true, right? It’d be incredibly problematic to be opposed by NATO and to have NATO creep up to your borders. Superpowers flipped their shit over stuff like this in the cold war all the time. It’s not any different today.

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                    If you’re part of the global south, there’s a decent chance NATO opposes you or someone you’re closely affiliated with. Is your suggestion to those countries for them to just not be part of the global south?

                    Because that’s incredibly hard to do.

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