cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/3679424
“Criticizing Israel is criticizing Jewish right to exist”
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israelis shouldn’t exist because israel shouldn’t exist
doesn’t mean you have to die, you’ll just be palestinian instead, or you can fuck off to new jersey or something
or you can fuck off to new jersey or something
*BACK to new jersey
conflating Zionism with Judaism is antisemitic
come grab a flag and join the rest of us
Showing up with a palestinian flag and that poster going “no, not like that”
If your country stops existing then you disappear. I’m sorry, I don’t make the rules.
Everyone alive in Russia today was born after 1991.
When do a DNA test, it tells me l’m Jewish because we are that genetically distinct.
I don’t think that’s true. And no, 23andMe is NOT a credible source for human DNA analysis
[Calls for Immediate Ceasefire in Gaza], “No, not that specific government policy.”
[Calls for right of return for Palestinians] “No not that one either”
You may only criticize boring shit like Israel’s tax code or legislative procedure.
Average Israeli: gets a DNA test “That’s weird. It says I’m from Poland”
Yeah good luck getting that DNA test in Israel
Come back to America where you belong
Woman with a heavy Brooklyn accent tries to convince you she’s native to the Levant and that hummus has been passed down in her family for generations
Israel does not have a right to exist because it’s stolen land. I hate these lying fucking pigs.
Israel does not have a right to exist because it’s stolen land.
Honestly this; many of the people they’re exterminating either previously lived in the lands they’re currently living in, or are the children or grandchildren of the people who were living where their (the zionists) houses now reside. The very exact human beings they displaced, or their children or grandchildren, they are now exterminating, when they themselves or their parents took flights over from Europe or America to now reside in occupied Palestine.
And Western media is manned by either incompetent fools or disingenuous propagandists (although obviously disingenuous propagandists) who parrot Israel’s argument of ‘other nations should take them in’; Occupied Palestine is their home, why should they leave? Let the zionists leave, no one forced them to get on an airplane and go live on stolen land, and what’s more, no one forced them to demolish existing Palestinian towns and villages so they could set up their zionist cities in those areas, there’s lot of empty places in occupied Palestine they could’ve set up their cities.
We are that genetically distinct
No you are not. No humans are. Scientifically, there is no such thing as race.
Jews in particular, are a fairly diverse group of people. In my (admittedly weak) understanding, most of these DNA tests just assume that people who have a semitic haplo group, in combination with certain genes most common in eastern or southern europe, must have a Jewish family background. This methodology is obviously extremely eurocentric, which is probably why these freaks love it.
It’s also worth pointing out that those same semitic haplo groups are also extremely common among Palestinians, because Palestinians are indigenous to the region. I guess those “distinct” genetics only grant you the right to a nation-state if you have some european mutations attached.
I know I’m preaching to the choir but this is just blood and soil ethnonationalism with an extremely thin veneer of progressivism. Even if an ethnic group was somehow consistently and measurably distinct from the rest of humanity, it wouldn’t somehow justify the displacement and destruction of any other group of people. Genetics are obviously completely irrelevant to the shit that isreal is doing and the fact that this person thinks it serves as some kind of justification only exposes their blatant fascism. This whole line of argument is just so disgusting and despicably racist.
No you are not. No humans are. Scientifically, there is no such thing as race.
They are genetically distinct enough for it to be measurable. Just because there is no hard line where one group ends and another begins doesn’t mean there isn’t genetic divergence. The point they’re trying to make here is that Jews are an ethnically distinct group and they aren’t just a religion. You can’t say that Christianity is an ethnicity because Christians as a group aren’t genetically distinct, Jews are.
I mean sure, there’s obviously some degree of distinction. But there’s enough variety and overlap between groups that it’s hard to claim there’s genetic evidence for race. The way that corporations like 23 and Me choose to measure race is also fairly controversial, at least in my understanding.
Kinda self doxxing, but in my own experience, a few close relatives of mine got tested and came back with a high ratio of Shepardi genetic markers. One is definitely Jewish, so no surprises there. However, the other is almost entirely Anglo-Irish, with some Muslim background from Spain. The genes the test marked as Shepardi most likely came from that group of Muslims. These genetic tests generally tend to assume that Semite + euro = Jew when that is not always the case. This assumption tends to erase some european Muslims as well as many Arabic and African Jews.
Genetics and “race” also aren’t equivalent to ethnicity, especially in a multiracial ethnoreligious group. My father is of Jewish descent but my mother is not and I wasn’t really raised as a Jew. If I wanted to be considered Jewish, I’d need to put in the effort of joining a community and possibly converting, depending on how conservative the sect is. A genetic test absolutely would not cut it.
I mean sure, there’s obviously some degree of distinction. But there’s enough variety and overlap between groups that it’s hard to claim there’s genetic evidence for race.
No one is saying the socially constructed idea of race is written in genetics. Just that you can detect a measurable difference between groups of people. This statistically trend for certain groups to have certain genetics can be used to understand the ways in which cultures interacted with eachother. We’ve gotten good evidence for entire conflicts lost to history by comparing mitochondrial DNA and the Y chromosome of certain ethnic groups.
Genetics and “race” also aren’t equivalent to ethnicity, especially in a multiracial ethnoreligious group. My father is of Jewish descent but my mother is not and I wasn’t really raised as a Jew. If I wanted to be considered Jewish, I’d need to put in the effort of joining a community and possibly converting, depending on how conservative the sect is.
I don’t disagree here. I wasn’t stating that genetics is all you need to belong in a certain group. Just that genetic evidence points towards Jews indeed being a more distinct lineage of people as opposed to Christianity.
Fair enough, sorry if I mischaracterized your statements.
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I didn’t realize that you can’t convert to Judaism.
You can go into literally any church and walk out a Christian after 1 service. Jewish converts have a long, hard process and are treated as outsiders even after the conversion. Gentiles are often advised against conversion and told to just live by the law. The fact that you don’t know this makes me think you’re just a debatebro nerd.
Did you want to explain how they are genetically distinct, to counter the argument you responded to? What is shared among them that makes them distinct from the Palestinians?
The whole “Jews are genetically distinct” is a counter-argument to the idea that Judaism is a religion and not an ethnicity. You would know this if you had understood the context. Modern Palestinians are the closest group to Jews, I never claimed otherwise.
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So criticising Nazi Germany is actually bigotry towards germans and christians. Thanks, zionist fuck!
Alao, the notion that any protest this dumb arsehole participates in achieving anything is almost as hilarious as the illegal occupying entity having any legitimacy.
I didn’t like Germans very much anyway.
I positively detest them but humour me there.
There wouldn’t be an issue if Israel wasn’t an ethnostate from it’s inception. The appeal to ancestral claim through DNA testing is proof of how fucked up their worldview is. Saying that Palestinians deserve to live in peace doesn’t imply that Jews should be killed.
Criticize the individual politicians and their policies not the people as a whole
I mean, I don’t think ever single Israeli is unredeemable, but the entire system is rotten. The only real debate within Israel is wether they should ignore the hostages to do ethnic cleansing or slow down the ethnic cleansing to save the hostages.
Ironically her comment is kinda anti-semitic itself, by trying to tie in a zionist entity that weaponizes and purposefully exacerbates anti-semitism, with Judaism.
I don’t like overcomplicating my motives, so my calculus on the isreal/gaza situation is a pretty simple “gut feeling” sort of affair: Anyone who talks about Arabs like a conservative uncle from my country the day after 9/11 is pretty much guaranteed to be full of shit
