• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    Incredible how you can state basic obvious truth and get mass downvotes. The fact that so many people still can’t comprehend that Ukraine can’t win this war shows the sheer power of western propaganda.

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      5 months ago

      North Vietnam couldn’t beat America. Afghanistan couldn’t beat the Soviet Union and then beat America. And, of course, Ukraine couldn’t resist a Russian invasion for years.

      If Russia can lose, then Ukraine can win, and Russia can definitely lose. By some measures, they have already lost. If this war was to “stop NATO expansion” then they lost when their aggression caused Finland to join. If their objective was to reenforce their image of dominance in the region, that has failed spectacularly.

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        5 months ago

        It’s funny that you would bring up Vietnam because there is a parallel there, just not the one you think. The regime in western Ukraine that US backing bears a lot of resemblance to the regime US was backing in south Vietnam, and it’s now collapsing in exactly the same way.

        What you don’t seem to understand is that there was already a civil war between western and eastern Ukraine since the coup in 2014. Let’s take a look at a few slides from this lecture that Mearsheimer gave back in 2015 to get a bit of background on the subject. Mearsheimer is certainly not pro Russian in any sense, and a proponent of US global hegemony. First, here’s the demographic breakdown of Ukraine:

        here’s how the election in 2004 went:

        this is the 2010 election:

        As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:

        Ukraine is not some homogeneous blob, but a country that’s divided precisely along the current combat lines.

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          5 months ago

          You didn’t just move the goalposts, you obliterated them. Ukraine can win. I’m not interested in your goofy ass obfuscations about Ukrainian society.

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            5 months ago

            Ukraine very obviously can’t win, but if you still haven’t figured that out yet then there’s little point talking with you.

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                5 months ago

                I don’t need to convince you of anything, reality will be impossible to ignore even for the most propagandized segments of the public soon enough.

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                  5 months ago

                  If only everyone saw the world as clearly as you. /s

                  Just curious. Do you have a gun to your head, or do you choose to do it?

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                    Do you have a gun to your head,

                    You clearly do. You wouldn’t be so gung-ho about the “rules based order’s” perpetuation if you didn’t. And when your precious crackerverse is without allies, and finally without extraneous colonial holdings to keep plundering, that’s exactly when that gun will go off. Can’t wait to watch it happen.

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                    5 months ago

                    I love how people like you keep acting smug after being wrong about literally everything for the past two years. Really highlights your intellectual prowess.

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            5 months ago

            “LALALALALALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOUUUUUUUUUUU” headass