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    10 months ago

    France is worried “people” will look at their exploits in Africa more deeply if they don’t.

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    So if my mother died from alcoholism, it would cross a moral threshold, if I got fired for drinking on my job as a school bus driver?

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    “To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold.” - France foreign minister, according to the article’s first line.

    What moral threshold, mr. foreign minister? Moral threshold that separates the western “right and responsibility” to invade, occupy, do mass massacres, out the people through genocide by both killing them by the thousands and destroying or stealing their cultural heritage, funneling all if their natural resources at dirt cheap prices to add to your own wealth? Hmm, maybe it isn’t slavery when you just "outsource"it?

    What moral threshold? Something like “Israel government can’t be fascists because they are the ruling organization over a people that were put through Holocaust by our then-enemies-but-current-allies, so only we can form any narrative about them?”

    Western democracies’ hypocrisy on full display as usual. Defenders of the human rights, only when it is their people and when they comply with their hegemonic agenda.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    France on Wednesday became the latest Western country to reject accusations that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinian civilians in Gaza, a charge that was recently brought before a United Nations court in The Hague.

    South Africa has won praise at home and from other countries for challenging what they see as a Western-led global order that is biased toward Israel.

    Israel was founded in the aftermath of the Nazi-led genocide of European Jewry, and Germany has rooted much of its post-Holocaust identity in the idea of supporting the Jewish state.

    France, home to some of Europe’s largest Jewish and Muslim communities, has seen fierce debates over the conflict in Gaza, including within its top diplomatic ranks.

    In November, a dozen French ambassadors in Middle East and North Africa countries expressed unease over Macron’s perceived pro-Israeli stance.

    Mr. Séjourné shot back that “we don’t need any lessons from your party,” as France Unbowed has faced intense criticism for refusing to call Hamas a terrorist group.


    The original article contains 522 words, the summary contains 165 words. Saved 68%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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      You really need to look up the legal definition of genocide. No. I will not provide a link. Put as much effort into research as you put into writing from the perspective of ignorance. I’ll get you started. Genocide is not defined as the intent to exterminate a genotype.

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          10 months ago

          Still not got it right:

          https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

          Article II

          In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

          • Killing members of the group;
          • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
          • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
          • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
          • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

          Netanyahu literally just said Israel will stretch from the river to the sea. Intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national ethnical group by killing them, causing serious bodily and mental harm to them, deliberately imprisoning them, poisoning them, occupying them, killing them.

          My hostility stems from the fact that you have no excuse for not knowing this at this late stage of the conflict if you’re on the same side of the issue as me. No investigation, no right to speak.

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          You don’t have to try to eradicate an entire nation to commit genocide, either. There’s a convention on this thing, you know…

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          Yeah the fact that you’re calling a genocide a fucking conspiracy tell me everything there is to know on wether your opinion on genocide is valid or trustworthy

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            Li Jingjing: Why the US wants to separate #Xinjiang from China? (cited 2003 report)

            The Grayzone has been covering the story for about five years: https://thegrayzone.com/page/2/?s=xinjiang

            ProleWiki: Uyghur genocide allegations

            Critical Resist: The blueprint of regime change operations

            We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.

            Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany (from the same town the CIA-owned Radio Free Europe operates). From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.

            The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.

            Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.

            Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).

            Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.

            But it fell on deaf ears. The sentiment at the time was that the Arab League wanted better relations with China and so they lied and said everything was fine.

            Everything the target country does to prove its innocence is a lie. Only we profess the truth.

            We suddenly stopped hearing about the ‘genocide’ as the world moved on to the war in Ukraine and now the October 7 operation in Palestine. These last two events were not controlled by Washington, and so they had to take precedence over the ‘genocide’. But it’s not over yet; they’ll find something else to pin on China eventually, and when they do, they’ll want you to remember all they’ve said about China in the past. They’ll want you to remember Tian’anmen (another mostly fabricated event), they’ll want you to remember the Uyghur ‘genocide’. They’ll want you to remember Tibet (for which they try to find stories, but they don’t tend to stick for very long).

            All so that when they make up more ludicrous stories about China, you’ll think they’re true, because you’ve been conditioned to believe more and more outrageous stories with time.

            When we finally declare war on China (if the NATO bloc ever gets to find a way to win that war), you’ll do the legwork of justifying this invasion yourself. We hope you’ll have been properly subdued by then and will happily cheer for the bombs. And if we install a US comprador government in China, we hope you won’t ask too many questions as it starts privatizing everything, reversing social welfare policies, jailing opponents, plummeting quality of life, destroying jobs and houses… and will just happily accept it as the right legitimate government — because it’s Western-backed.

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              the Grayzone consider Gonzalo Lira a “commentator” They also try to explain to me that NATO was in fact allied with Serbia. The only thing differentiating them from pure propaganda is that propaganda is suppsoed to be coherent with itself

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              Your source are a fucking blog by a random, and a propagandist clone of wikipedia. “Hey nazis are cool, this film from Ufa proves it”

              Oh and for the first line, it is perfectly common for expert to not speak the language of a country they study as the concept of translation exist, let alone diplomatic institutions of countries you are studying do those translation themselves lol.

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              So, one is a conspiracy theory, one has never been claimed so far, and one carries no substantial proofs due to the facts that it is simply a criminal trend in South Africa blown out of proportion by white supremacist.

              wrong again about me pal

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          You just praised someone who thinks Israel is not committing genocide (“I’d disagree on the will to actually genocide” is genocide denial, because intent is literally part of the definition). You then complain that people don’t think you’re for real when you say “yes, they are”.

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          happened to me too. People just make shit up based on what they think a comment and build you an opinion they then debunk without asking what your opinion actually is. Best is to do what I do : return to meme making