"During the 1930s, many communists and socialists from Germany and Austria sought refuge from the Nazis in the USSR. But in a shocking betrayal, the Soviet secret police handed over hundreds of them to Hitler’s Gestapo… https://jacobinmag.com/2021/08/hitler-stalin-pact-nazis-communist-deportation-soviet
That’s not what I’m saying here. I’m saying that their mind set is dogmatic. That does not mean that it’s permanent, but if you aim to create a dialogue that gives a chance to question such dogmas, it is useful to understand they exist. If you create a dialogue where the dogma can just justify itself, it will deepen their ideological believes.
You want to question their dogmas? Understand how they function first.
Yeah, I agree to that, but posting some age old stuff a calling them “tankies” doesn’t help a single bit and is probably counter-productive.
remembering history is important. learning from history is important. narratives are strong influence of our culture. history effects narratives and many tankies use history for their justification.
I play with narratives
Have fun trying to beat them on their own turf. Most of them are obsessive about the (false) history of the bolshevik revolution :p Dogmatic as you say.
Easier to try and create some cognitive dissonance on more contemporary topics.
like this you mean? https://lemmy.ml/post/77978/comment/73363
I am not saying it will be easy ;)
that’s what lemmy is about: https://lemmy.ml/post/78808/comment/75033
oboarding new folks. Don’t forget all the bystanders and how to reach them in your reasoning.
And you think you will reach “bystanders” by posting these things? At best they will say this all sucks and go somewhere else, or worse you will get into some petty argument with a “tankie” that they are likely to win in the eyes of a bystander as you are engaging the “tankie” on their turf.
not if most jump into their defence like you.
What do you suggest? What have you done yourself from which you believe I could learn from?
you mind linking some threads from you or someone else that you believe are great to counter tankie ideology?
No I don’t, because I don’t subscribe to this “countering” culture. I engage in building alternatives and offering bridges even to those that I don’t fully agree with.