During the 1930s, many communists and socialists from Germany and Austria sought refuge from the Nazis in the USSR. But in a shocking betrayal, the Soviet secret police handed over hundreds of them to Hitler's Gestapo.
    • poVoq@lemmy.ml
      2·
      3 years ago

      And you think you will reach “bystanders” by posting these things? At best they will say this all sucks and go somewhere else, or worse you will get into some petty argument with a “tankie” that they are likely to win in the eyes of a bystander as you are engaging the “tankie” on their turf.

      • ancom@lemmy.mlOP
        1·
        3 years ago

        And you think you will reach “bystanders” by posting these things?

        not if most jump into their defence like you.

        What do you suggest? What have you done yourself from which you believe I could learn from?

        • poVoq@lemmy.ml
          2·
          3 years ago

          I for example run the /c/solarpunk community here on lemmy. Which I see as an onboarding exercise for forward looking (future) anarchists.

          • ancom@lemmy.mlOP
            11·
            3 years ago

            I for example run the /c/solarpunk community here on lemmy.

            There is nearly no engagement, and it says “3 active user per month”.

            Which I see as an onboarding exercise for forward looking (future) anarchists.

            Most if not all content that I see there does not contradict tankie logic. Looks to me just like adding more value to a tankie platform and helping them grow.

            • poVoq@lemmy.ml
              2·
              3 years ago

              Yeah it could be more active… but solarpunk is inherently anti-authoritarian (by design) and that it isn’t in-your-face counter something is a strong point of it from the on-boarding perspective.

              • ancom@lemmy.mlOP
                11·
                3 years ago

                that it isn’t in-your-face counter something is a strong point of it from the on-boarding perspective.

                if your target audience are those who are just a bit interested in environmental stuff, then this is a good aproach. The target audience at lemmy is different. :-p

                  • ancom@lemmy.mlOP
                    1·
                    3 years ago

                    And you are highly mistaken if you think Solarpunk is some mildly environmental feel-good concept.

                    I don’t think that.

                    There are loads of non-dogmatic socialists or even just broadly left-leaning people on Lemmy.

                    yes I know. We should have some more debate why authoritarianism is an issue then, because more and more buy into that.

                • ancom@lemmy.mlOP
                  11·
                  3 years ago

                  since month you’re posting into c/solarpunk, without creating even just one debate. That’s not an example how to do it, that’s a failure.

                  • poVoq@lemmy.ml
                    31·
                    3 years ago

                    I am not in it for creating “debates”. Feel free to just complain and shit on other people efforts to create something positive as an alternative (which is true for lemmy the software too btw.).

    • ancom@lemmy.mlOP
      11·
      3 years ago

      you mind linking some threads from you or someone else that you believe are great to counter tankie ideology?

      • poVoq@lemmy.ml
        3·
        3 years ago

        No I don’t, because I don’t subscribe to this “countering” culture. I engage in building alternatives and offering bridges even to those that I don’t fully agree with.

        • ancom@lemmy.mlOP
          1·
          3 years ago

          I engage in building alternatives and offering bridges

          well then can you show me an example of that?