BERLIN: The European Union can no longer afford to keep national vetoes when deciding on European Union foreign and security policy if it wants to maintain a leading role in global politics, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said. Moscow's war in Ukraine makes unity in Europe ever more urgent and increases pre
  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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    2 years ago

    All I see here is a potential for a benevolent dictatorship and a malevolent dictatorship. Benevolent dictatorships are cool. Until they turn malevolent. That’s the big problem.

    If you actually get around to reading the links I provided, they clearly explain that Chinese system is not a dictatorship in any way or form. You’re speaking out of sheer ignorance here.

    In liberal democracies you have a choice.

    You have a choice of candidates put up by the ruling class which is the capitalist class. Entire books have been written on the subject. Countless studies have been conducted on the subject as well that show that liberal democracies operate as oligarchies in practice. Here is what a recent study analyzing decades of US policy found:

    The systems in Europe aren’t all that different from US in practice. Every one of these systems is created by the rich and for the rich.

    The CCP has plenty of working class "foot soldiers”, just like western democracies’ parties do too in their ranks, I see no difference.

    I don’t know what CCP is, but the Communist Party of China has working class people operating at all levels of the party. You don’t see the difference because you have an incredibly superficial understanding of how the system works in China. Maybe spend some time educating yourself instead of arguing about a topic you’re not versed in?

    • zksmk@lemmy.ml
      62·
      2 years ago

      < not a dictatorship in any way or form

      I said potential for in that specific part of the process, and corruption is a thing, was there a need to put an emphasis on that? What if the fish starts rotting from the head in a system like that? Believe it or not, western democracies also have a potential for dictatorships, particularly when the press isn’t free. There’s already semi-dictatorships in Europe, like Hungary, for example.

      Your links, which I most definitely read, all the way back when this stuff was posted like a year ago, literally say, that to start your climb in the political institutions you need a college degree. That’s interesting, but so much for accessible for anyone. And to climb, you will also need approval from the higher ups. You don’t see potential for corruption there?

      I never even claimed the Chinese system is a horrible system, why are you getting so worked up? You’re the one that keeps insisting it’s obviously superior.

      < The systems in Europe aren’t all that different from US

      That’s why we have stuff like this?

      And to be fair, I’m a bit saddened you’re bringing the discussion to the level you’re bringing it, with the typo remark, and the other remark you made about being educated, while simultaneously showcasing a lack of awareness where the EU’s notorious democratic deficit was (somewhere in these discussion comments), and flip-flopping on it, so, as I feel this discussion is no longer in good faith, and your emotions are getting the best of you right now, Imma bail out.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
        64·
        2 years ago

        I said potential for in that specific part of the process, and corruption is a thing, was there a need to put an emphasis on that?

        If you look at how the system structured, it’s clear that such potential is not there. People in positions of power have clearly defined responsibilities. There are checks and balances, and ability for recall. If anything, I’d argue there’s less potential for a dictatorship than in western democracies here.

        Your links, which I most definitely read, all the way back when this stuff was posted like a year ago, literally say, that to start your climb in the political institutions you need a college degree. That’s interesting, but so much for accessible for anyone. And to climb, you will also need approval from the higher ups. You don’t see potential for corruption there?

        This is only a problem when education isn’t available to everyone. When education is free then it’s accessible to everyone who has the capability to study.

        I never even claimed the Chinese system is a horrible system, why are you getting so worked up? You’re the one that keeps insisting it’s obviously superior.

        I’m not sure why you’re claiming I’m getting worked up about anything. I’m simply pointing out that you’re mischaracterizing the way the system works, and making superficial comparisons with western systems.

        That’s why we have stuff like this?

        Carbon tax has not resulted in any meaningful action however. It’s really more of a performative measure that creates illusion of action. If the tax worked then Europe would’ve been transitioning off fossils a long time ago and wouldn’t find itself in the situation it’s currently in.

        Now contrast that with China where there is a comprehensive plan for moving off fossils that’s being implemented at scale right now. China is now leading the world in both renewables and nuclear power by a wide margin as a result.

        And thanks for your psychoanalysis there, but the only one who appears to be getting emotional here is you. I’ve stated my position and backed it up with sources. You haven’t provided any counter argument that I can see here. So, yeah don’t really see the point of continuing this either.