They’re using social media accounts to galvanize people to commit mass entryism on various orgs. They apparently did this with the American chapter of the KFAUSA (or, at least, they may have a “PatSoc problem”). I questioned a PatSoc about this who turned out to be an anti-Semite during a Twitter Space and he was… fucking skittish. He wouldn’t give a straight answer.
So when Haz wasn’t even a thing yet, I remember seeing a suspiciously polished promo video for INFRARED that immediately set off alarm bells for me. Also strangely, I can’t seem to find that promo video anywhere now.
I also remember not long after the channel started seeing a clip of Haz on a girl Twitch streamer’s stream and the title was something like “Haz flirting with ____” and the whole thing struck me as overtly trying to appeal to lonely young men on the internet, in a similar vein as gamer gate, red pill garbage, etc. Basically following the Steve Bannon/Mercer Family social media manipulation playbook. I haven’t really dug into it, but I’d be curious to see if there are any links with patsocs to people like Steve Bannon or Aleksandr Dugin.
He got recommended on r/chapotraphouse a few times, and because I don’t watch streams or go on twitter, I had no idea who he was for like… A while into chapo.chat
It took us some time to work out the whole thing they were doing was sus to be fair. Initially Haz looked alright until the reactionary stuff piled up and up and up. Some of his early Stalin videos were genuinely good. Several of us, including myself, thought he was a good entry into the lineup of marxist creators at the time, Bay Area 415 was also suspiciously doxxed and taken out of commission at the time, there was a concerted influence and counter-influence op that was mounted against growing marxist influence at the time. That shitbag Beau of the Fifth too exploded during that period. And growth was explosive too but we countered him relatively well.
Haz and the patsoc crowd started getting attention for being reactionary and double and tripled down on it for growth.
My take is that they’re fascists or feds. I wanna say feds because I don’t think the fascists put the kind of effort in to read that Haz and patsocs have done. Haz definitely has engaged with marxist literature to some extent whereas the fash rarely have the attention span.
I would also argue that none of his videos were good, not even the first ones, and it’s telling that the original gang of Infrared isn’t there anymore except for Haz.
Hmmm I distinctly liked his Stalin one back in the day. I think what they were doing back then was trying to be shocking by supporting Stalin but it didn’t have the effect they wanted (because we actually do) so they moved on from him to other reactionary behaviours instead. I think the goal was and always has been to coopt MLism and then to make MLs look bad, which ties in well with the entryism if you think about it.
Yeah, there’s something very weird about how he went from “guy on youtube that literally no one has heard of” to appearing on Tucker Carlson’s Fox show in a matter of months.
I usually just write off the typical online “This youtuber/streamer/podcaster is definitely a fed!” stuff as bullshit, but this particular guy really makes me wonder.
Dude looks like a grown man but is supposedly 19. He also recently started college. Normally I wouldn’t think much of that, but with all the context, he’s definitely grooming susceptible college kids into doing stupid shit.
Dude looks like a grown man but is supposedly 19. He also recently started college.
I believe what you’re thinking about here was some dumbass bit he recently did for his youtube channel or whatever, where he just went to some random college class and started doing ePiC oWnS on the blue-haired sjw’s like it was 2015.
As far as I know he’s not an actual student, and he’s like 22-23.
I didn’t say shit about the CIA, it was all conventionally-domestic bodies afaik, like the FBI and Congressional committees. Apparently also:
“If it were not for me”, Hoover told a State Department official in 1963, “there would not be a Communist Party of the United States. Because I’ve financed the Communist Party, in order to know what they are doing”
By central body, I essentially mean everything “National” in their org chart.
In addition, if you’re so sure about fed involvement, then don’t react the way you do simply because I mentioned “CIA.” Like, be confident. Instead, you’re getting flustered and it makes you look suspicious and like you’re not confident that we’re a bunch of feds.
Damn twitter is becoming real.
No joke.
They’re fucking feds, I tell you. Or so I think.
They’re using social media accounts to galvanize people to commit mass entryism on various orgs. They apparently did this with the American chapter of the KFAUSA (or, at least, they may have a “PatSoc problem”). I questioned a PatSoc about this who turned out to be an anti-Semite during a Twitter Space and he was… fucking skittish. He wouldn’t give a straight answer.
The leading patsocs are absolutely feds.
So when Haz wasn’t even a thing yet, I remember seeing a suspiciously polished promo video for INFRARED that immediately set off alarm bells for me. Also strangely, I can’t seem to find that promo video anywhere now.
I also remember not long after the channel started seeing a clip of Haz on a girl Twitch streamer’s stream and the title was something like “Haz flirting with ____” and the whole thing struck me as overtly trying to appeal to lonely young men on the internet, in a similar vein as gamer gate, red pill garbage, etc. Basically following the Steve Bannon/Mercer Family social media manipulation playbook. I haven’t really dug into it, but I’d be curious to see if there are any links with patsocs to people like Steve Bannon or Aleksandr Dugin.
He got recommended on r/chapotraphouse a few times, and because I don’t watch streams or go on twitter, I had no idea who he was for like… A while into chapo.chat
It took us some time to work out the whole thing they were doing was sus to be fair. Initially Haz looked alright until the reactionary stuff piled up and up and up. Some of his early Stalin videos were genuinely good. Several of us, including myself, thought he was a good entry into the lineup of marxist creators at the time, Bay Area 415 was also suspiciously doxxed and taken out of commission at the time, there was a concerted influence and counter-influence op that was mounted against growing marxist influence at the time. That shitbag Beau of the Fifth too exploded during that period. And
growth was explosive too but we countered him relatively well.
Haz and the patsoc crowd started getting attention for being reactionary and double and tripled down on it for growth.
My take is that they’re fascists or feds. I wanna say feds because I don’t think the fascists put the kind of effort in to read that Haz and patsocs have done. Haz definitely has engaged with marxist literature to some extent whereas the fash rarely have the attention span.
I know who doxxed BayArea415 given that I was an advisor of his.
Also, Haz and the PatSoc crowd initially were banking on fighting Maoism (which garnered them support) but ultimately they became right-deviationists.
I would also argue that none of his videos were good, not even the first ones, and it’s telling that the original gang of Infrared isn’t there anymore except for Haz.
Hmmm I distinctly liked his Stalin one back in the day. I think what they were doing back then was trying to be shocking by supporting Stalin but it didn’t have the effect they wanted (because we actually do) so they moved on from him to other reactionary behaviours instead. I think the goal was and always has been to coopt MLism and then to make MLs look bad, which ties in well with the entryism if you think about it.
Good point.
Dugin, yes. At least philosophically. I don’t know if his networks in Russia have any links to them in the US.
But Bannon, sorta. Peter Thiel funded right wing podcasts and ecelebs including Red Scare.
Oh yeah, good point
Dude, they have to be, especially Jackson Hinkle.
Yeah, there’s something very weird about how he went from “guy on youtube that literally no one has heard of” to appearing on Tucker Carlson’s Fox show in a matter of months.
There really fucking is…
I usually just write off the typical online “This youtuber/streamer/podcaster is definitely a fed!” stuff as bullshit, but this particular guy really makes me wonder.
Goddamn, and I hate fed-jacketing, but…
Dude looks like a grown man but is supposedly 19. He also recently started college. Normally I wouldn’t think much of that, but with all the context, he’s definitely grooming susceptible college kids into doing stupid shit.
I believe what you’re thinking about here was some dumbass bit he recently did for his youtube channel or whatever, where he just went to some random college class and started doing ePiC oWnS on the blue-haired sjw’s like it was 2015.
As far as I know he’s not an actual student, and he’s like 22-23.
I was wondering why they were specifically interested in CPUSA, and this clears it up. Good luck in your fight against them anyway.
I’m not a fed. We’re literally being attacked by feds.
I’m sure you aren’t, I’m just saying that the central body of the org was compromised over a half-century ago by the HUAC and friends
It was not, actually.
Also, which central body of the org are you referring to? HUAC isn’t the CIA, btw.
Historically, the opposite happened.
I didn’t say shit about the CIA, it was all conventionally-domestic bodies afaik, like the FBI and Congressional committees. Apparently also:
By central body, I essentially mean everything “National” in their org chart.
Also, you got that anecdote from a known anti-communist academic.
In addition, why is the CPUSA being attacked by feds now?
Someone said “CIAPUSA” lmao so don’t bring up the CIA.
Then don’t use central body lol
Be specific.
Also, in the 1970s, they said they only had a minority of informants within the CPUSA.
And how do you explain what happened to Sam Webb?
In addition, if you’re so sure about fed involvement, then don’t react the way you do simply because I mentioned “CIA.” Like, be confident. Instead, you’re getting flustered and it makes you look suspicious and like you’re not confident that we’re a bunch of feds.
Irony of posting this alongside like four other replies.
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Wdym?
CPUSA aren’t feds, contrary to Internet rumors.
Man I gotta ask, why are you so in on CPUSA? You’re talking about all of their major institutional flaws like this.
What? What major institutional flaws? I’m not talking about its flaws right now and this has nothing to do with that.