• UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world
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    I really hope they introduce a year of social service. No matter if military, police or healthcare, everyone should experience what it feels to serve society at least once.

    An interesting aspect I didn’t think of so far was recently brought by German news influencer LeFloid: It adds people to the mix of police and military that wouldn’t normally be there. The far-left tend to avoid them, while the far-right embraces them. This creates a dangerous imbalance between left and right views in these structures and opens up room for radicalisation.

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      6 months ago

      Correct. (Only it goes both ways - the left do get influenced by that mix during their service.)

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      Terrible Idea - in Austria many young men do a 9 month long social service instead of military service and many often get treated like shit.

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      Oh yea I can’t wait to be jailed and fined if i don’t want to be forced to serve for free a country that destroy the environment to mine lignite and sell weapons to saudi arabia.

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      I’m totally against the military part. It’s just elite people deciding on the lives of people that are not in power. And when the time is right, they’ll take away your freedom of choice and mandate you to join a war. My body my rules.

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    Since taking office at the beginning of 2023, Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has been thinking about ways to make the Bundeswehr more attractive as a career.

    No amount of money or benefits will ever make me a government’s boot licker. Sorry, not sorry

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      Maybe you personally. But money would actually solve all their problems.

      All they provide today is a shitty job with bad pay and no future prospects.

      They are not finding enough soldiers because all these soft modern young adults are too selfish for that job, just like companies find no employees because those spoiled brats are too lazy to work. Obviously none of it has to do with not providing reasonable payments of course. So forced labor is the the proposed solution.

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      So what is the alternative? Let any authoritarian asshole who has managed to convince many boot lickers to join him, take over your country?

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Since taking office at the beginning of 2023, Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has been thinking about ways to make the Bundeswehr more attractive as a career.

    As journalist and defense and security policy expert Thomas Wiegold told DW: "A major frustration in the Bundeswehr is the bureaucracy.

    When Pistorius floated his ideas about conscription in December, he faced a barrage of criticism, including from within his own center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD).

    Party co-chair Saskia Esken said it would be impossible to implement mandatory recruitment on an ad hoc basis “because the training units required for this are no longer available.”

    “The reintroduction of compulsory service would be a serious encroachment on the freedom of young people who want to orient themselves professionally,” FDP parliamentary group leader Christian Dürr warned in an interview with the Funke Mediengruppe.

    “Who would have thought around two years ago that the Bundestag would decide on setting up a special fund of €100 billion for the Bundeswehr against the backdrop of a Russian war of aggression?”


    The original article contains 900 words, the summary contains 171 words. Saved 81%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

  • xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    The number of people who think conscription is just getting ferried to a frontline with a sandwich and a thumbs up is baffling.

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    I believe it is a good idea, not only will it foster a closer feeling of unity and understanding between citizens, it will also be something all citizens have in common, and something you can talk about with anyone.

    I am a bit sad that I never got to do it, I did muster, but failed the hearing test, at the time I was relieved, but now, I miss it sort of.

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      If you want to bring people together create a program to do such thing. Forcing them into a shooting at people and dropping bombs course is the worst thing you could possibly come up with.

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        You’re able to refuse active military service and will be put into a civil service position. No one is forced to “shoot at people”.

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          In your mind perhaps, in my country before they abolished military service you would get fined and sent to jail if you refused to go and they would teach everyone at last once how to shot a gun towards targets made to resemble human beings.

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            I’m talking about Germany as this article is talking about the potential reintroduced of mandatory military service there.

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        Again, I said it was a good idea, not the be all end all of bringing people together, that is just one benefit of mandatory service.

        You guys are really trying to misunderstand me.

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        First world militaries do a hell of a lot more than fight. For example, talking to a young guy at a party last night and the older host. Kid’s a Navy SIGINT guy, host is about to retire from commercial sailing. They got to chatting and the kid had been monitoring threats in the area the host’s ship had passed through in '21.

        After Hurricane Ivan the Florida Guard rolled in and saved our asses. After Katrina my ex-FIL led the Mississippi guard into south MS. They cut houses in half to open the roads.

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          In japan when a tsunami or earthquake hit the yakuza always help the locals, that does not make them any good.

          Firefighters are not teach how to attack countries with biological weapons or psyop