• VILenin [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          33·
          1 year ago

          Ok Netanyahu shill. Who started it? Israel. Israel can stop this at any time by simply stopping their genocide.

          But I guess you’re opposed to resistance. You’d fit right in in 1938 with your appeasement rhetoric.

          • TWeaK@lemm.eeEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            Actually Palestinians started the violence. They fought a war, they lost.

            That doesn’t excuse anything Israel has done, but credit where credit is due. Hamas are not freedom fighters, that isn’t their goal. Their goal is to eradicate anyone that doesn’t share their beliefs.

            Freedom for the people of Palestine and peace in the region, but the likes of Hamas and Netanyahu can suck a bag of each others’ virgin dicks.

          • uranium5678@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            You seem to be rather angry and irrational. Which seemed obvious, when you replied to my post. But I’ll happily explain why:

            Your childish narrative of good and bad just doesn’t apply in real life. Israel ist not all good and bad and “Israel” also consists of people committing crimes against Palestinians and people who just live their lives and were born there.

            Your argument that I am a “shill” because I don’t paint the world in black and white and don’t condone Hamas’ war crimes as heroic because “the other side (whoever that may be) started it” is amusing, to say the least.

            If Hamas had gone for military targets or at least governmental buildings it would have been a whole different story. But them slaughtering and abusing civilians is the same as Israel’s genocide against innocent Palestinians.

            It’s very sad that people like you fail to see even basic distinctions like this and simply are just able to be for one side without having the ability to distinguish more than that is rather sad.

            An example that even someone like you could understand the situation better: Imagine you are living in a country whose government mistreats, abuses and kills a minority. That minority decides to take revenge and randomly kill your family and your friends because your government and the police decide to be criminals. Following your own argument you would cheer them on because they have the right to do so to fight back. Ridiculous.

            • GriffithDidNothingWrong [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              11·
              1 year ago

              Over half of Palestinians are under 14 and most of them have never seen an Israeli in real life. Abused and mistreated does not begin to cover it. You’re the one whose naively trying to moralize this. When you treat people like animals they behave like animals and “mistreatment” to this degree creates very dangerous animals. Whether the individuals concerned deserved it is immaterial, this is the consequences of their governments actions of which they were entirely complicit.

              • uranium5678@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
                1·
                1 year ago

                Oh. You misunderstand. I’m not trying to moralize anything. As a matter of fact it’s you guys who try to justify crimes of war and crimes against civilians as justified. I’m one hundred percent in agreement that what Israel as a country does against the Palestinians is horrible and should be stopped. Even though the general sentiment in my country is pro Israel. Especially in the older generations.

                However, my point is that the Hamas’ reaction is wrong and a war crime. I did not say I didn’t understand why they could be doing it. However, just because someone else is horrible doesn’t mean you have the right to do the same. As I said in another comment: Hamas attacking government, military or police buildings would have been a whole different story and I would have considered that a justified reaction.

            • VILenin [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              11·
              1 year ago

              Actively partaking in a genocide is actually the exact same thing as just happening to live somewhere. I am very smart.

              If you really think about it, Nazi Germany wasn’t so black and white. The narrative that they were “bad” is quite childish.

              Shut the fuck up.

        • RyanGosling [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
          14·
          1 year ago

          They could simply leave. Or if they don’t want to leave, they could simply not blockade Gaza.

          I have never kicked anybody out their home or cut off electricity and water, and I have never been attacked by officially designated terrorist organizations because of that. It’s not very hard to avoid them.

          • uranium5678@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            Same as all blacks the US could just leave if the feel discriminated against? Same like all Germans could have left Nazi Germany?

            Do you honestly suggest that people born there or others who moved there after being persecuted and discriminated against in other countries should just leave? Where should the build a new life? Where would they take the money from?

            It’s almost childlike to think that a whole group of people could just move, even if they wanted to.

            Also, it’s more than pathetic that you imply that those visitors of the music festival who got slaughtered for no reason whatsoever, participated in genocide and deserved to die.

            That would mean that if someone in your country committed a crime, you’d deserve the same punishment as they do. What are you? Ten?

            Before you misunderstand: I’m not saying Israel good Palestine bad. In the real world there situations where there is no simple solution. This is one of these situations. Israel should have never been carved out of these countries to begin with. But it was. And the situation now is complicated.