Yeah, bad actors have weaponised the harassment rule to get people banned. I was banned because a tankie sub - that I had previously thought was cool - banned me from out of nowhere with an automated message and no explanation. Putting 2 & 2 together it was clearly for an anti-tankie post I made on a different sub. Literally a kind of harassment in itself. When I said “What the fuck?” In my reply, I was banned reddit-wide.
Like they’ve gotta just be fishing for anything they can call harasment to get their ideological enemies kicked.
Yeah I got banned from greenandpleasent the same time Russia invaded Ukraine because it was taken over by a bunch of boot lickers and likely actual paid russian shills, probably some of the same crowd hosting hexbear et al. And got a site wide ban soon after…
yep, and yet somehow reddit never does anything about the report abuse for the ‘self help’ thing which id get dozens of PM’s a day about at one point, reported them and nothing was ever done about it
Anybody that ever said anything that could be classed as controversial has been if someone was salty enough to report them. Reddit went from corporate influenced to corporate interested above all else.
If you approach things from a scientific perspective, the meaning of harassment is just “political speech I don’t like”. Some kinds of political speech, like protests and appeals, are important and should be allowed, but can easily be labelled harassment. Other kinds of political speech, like sexual harassment or hate speech, are bad. “Harassment” as a word isn’t a useful one. Two people having a fight are harassing each other, regardless of who’s right. We have created a society that hates political speech and welcomes the use of state and corporation violence to suppress dissenting politics.
I don’t say this from a place of callousness. I’ve been a victim of the most vicious harassment and it’s given me PTSD. And what I learned from the experience is, talented manipulators and people with social power will always benefit from being able to call political speech harassment.
harassment is just “political speech I don’t like”
Some communities on Lemmy have switched to calling it “misinformation”. As in: you provide links to reputable sources to support your point, and it’s “misinformation”.
Harassment seems to be more of a label for “too many people downvoted you, and you still dared to answer”.
Yeah, that’s better. Misinformation covers situations like defamation and many kinds of hate speech. Although there still needs to be a solution for stalking and sexual harassment, as long as it doesn’t overlap and outlaw protest or deplatforming.
Its an epithet for authcoms (authoritarian communists) and MLs (Marxists-Leninists). Essentially referring to justifications of using tanks / violence to quash uprisings or dissent.
In a weird way, it’s kind of “so left wing it curled round the back and ended up on the far right”.
If you think of “left wing” as in “we support Pol Pot, Stalin, Putin etc” rather than “let’s open a community-run vegan art cafe to promote understanding between diverse social groups”.
“let’s open a community-run vegan art cafe to promote understanding between diverse social groups”.
It wasn’t a vegan art cafe, but the town I grew up in opened a community-run “Peace and Justice Center” that was a direct evolution from the protest camp that was set up at the start of the 1992 Iraq war. It lasted about 2 months because they had no idea what a peace and justice center was supposed to do. They did let several homeless people sleep there in violation of zoning regulations, though.
I agree with your characterisation, but obviously I think that version of left-wing isn’t really left. It’s state capitalism with a red flag.
That said, I’d add that the anarchist and other libertarian leftists (ancaps stole the word libertarian from the left btw) absolutely have revolutionary aims and activities, we aren’t just sitting around singing kumbaya. I didn’t sense you were trying to belittle us but I wanted to add that.
There’s two definitions, the former means redfash who overlook the fascist elements of former socialisms, particularly those of Marxist-Leninist orientation. (the fact they use tankie rather than redfash should tell you they’re not entirely comfortable using fascist as a pejorative, want to guess why?)
The latter is basically a dog whistle used by reactionaries to mean communist. Basically a synonym of “woke” for those not overtly racist and applies to anyone with left-of-hitler politics. Think your blue maga types who swear they’re progressive.
Regardless, the word was invented by the CIA to sew division among the left and should not be used by anyone.
Yeah, bad actors have weaponised the harassment rule to get people banned. I was banned because a tankie sub - that I had previously thought was cool - banned me from out of nowhere with an automated message and no explanation. Putting 2 & 2 together it was clearly for an anti-tankie post I made on a different sub. Literally a kind of harassment in itself. When I said “What the fuck?” In my reply, I was banned reddit-wide.
Like they’ve gotta just be fishing for anything they can call harasment to get their ideological enemies kicked.
The distinction between mod subreddit bans and site wide bans is basically gone
Yeah I got banned from greenandpleasent the same time Russia invaded Ukraine because it was taken over by a bunch of boot lickers and likely actual paid russian shills, probably some of the same crowd hosting hexbear et al. And got a site wide ban soon after…
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yep, and yet somehow reddit never does anything about the report abuse for the ‘self help’ thing which id get dozens of PM’s a day about at one point, reported them and nothing was ever done about it
Oh I got banned from the site. Reddit admins banned me lmao.
Yeah, I got banned from the site too.
Anybody that ever said anything that could be classed as controversial has been if someone was salty enough to report them. Reddit went from corporate influenced to corporate interested above all else.
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If you approach things from a scientific perspective, the meaning of harassment is just “political speech I don’t like”. Some kinds of political speech, like protests and appeals, are important and should be allowed, but can easily be labelled harassment. Other kinds of political speech, like sexual harassment or hate speech, are bad. “Harassment” as a word isn’t a useful one. Two people having a fight are harassing each other, regardless of who’s right. We have created a society that hates political speech and welcomes the use of state and corporation violence to suppress dissenting politics.
I don’t say this from a place of callousness. I’ve been a victim of the most vicious harassment and it’s given me PTSD. And what I learned from the experience is, talented manipulators and people with social power will always benefit from being able to call political speech harassment.
Some communities on Lemmy have switched to calling it “misinformation”. As in: you provide links to reputable sources to support your point, and it’s “misinformation”.
Harassment seems to be more of a label for “too many people downvoted you, and you still dared to answer”.
That explains why a troll tried ban baiting me for “disinformation” when I said something they didn’t like.
Yeah, that’s better. Misinformation covers situations like defamation and many kinds of hate speech. Although there still needs to be a solution for stalking and sexual harassment, as long as it doesn’t overlap and outlaw protest or deplatforming.
Not really:
The difference is between “I don’t believe you, so you get banned” vs. “I think you’re trying to mislead people, so you get banned”.
Misinformation allows banning any information a mod believes to be “false”, for whatever reason, no matter the proof.
(PS: if any mod doesn’t agree with these definitions, they could remove this comment based on “misinformation”)
What is a tankie?
Fans of this (and not the guy standing there):
Years of being on reddit has conditioned me to always respond to this picture with
So brave
I literally cannot stop myself from posting it.
Its an epithet for authcoms (authoritarian communists) and MLs (Marxists-Leninists). Essentially referring to justifications of using tanks / violence to quash uprisings or dissent.
In a weird way, it’s kind of “so left wing it curled round the back and ended up on the far right”.
If you think of “left wing” as in “we support Pol Pot, Stalin, Putin etc” rather than “let’s open a community-run vegan art cafe to promote understanding between diverse social groups”.
Wikipaedia article here
It wasn’t a vegan art cafe, but the town I grew up in opened a community-run “Peace and Justice Center” that was a direct evolution from the protest camp that was set up at the start of the 1992 Iraq war. It lasted about 2 months because they had no idea what a peace and justice center was supposed to do. They did let several homeless people sleep there in violation of zoning regulations, though.
I agree with your characterisation, but obviously I think that version of left-wing isn’t really left. It’s state capitalism with a red flag.
That said, I’d add that the anarchist and other libertarian leftists (ancaps stole the word libertarian from the left btw) absolutely have revolutionary aims and activities, we aren’t just sitting around singing kumbaya. I didn’t sense you were trying to belittle us but I wanted to add that.
You’re right to give it a little more detail - my slightly silly summary skipped over a lot.
Definitely not trying to belittle anyone, though I am slightly poking fun at myself :)
Got it, that was the vibe you gave off but also since we’re trying to educate I thought I’d be a bit pedantic about it :)
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A stalinist communist.
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Funny, both the Cambridge and Dictionary.com (among others) seem to think it is.
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It doesn’t make much sense. Stalin practiced Marxism-Leninism and didn’t consider himself to be inventing any new ideology.
It’s about as ridiculous as “Bidenomics” — just what exactly is Biden actually doing differently?
People actually take Bidenomics seriously…? I thought it was a meme like dark brandon.
Yeah. Some people even take Dark Brandon seriously although perhaps to an extent.
La Rouchites.
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There’s two definitions, the former means redfash who overlook the fascist elements of former socialisms, particularly those of Marxist-Leninist orientation. (the fact they use tankie rather than redfash should tell you they’re not entirely comfortable using fascist as a pejorative, want to guess why?)
The latter is basically a dog whistle used by reactionaries to mean communist. Basically a synonym of “woke” for those not overtly racist and applies to anyone with left-of-hitler politics. Think your blue maga types who swear they’re progressive.
Regardless, the word was invented by the CIA to sew division among the left and should not be used by anyone.