Try to tell people to stop eating meat and reduce their consumption of dietary animal products because of the moral/environmental disaster that it is, and suddenly it’s too hard to have empathy.

Once you realise most people don’t give a shit about anything that doesn’t directly affect or implicate them, you realise why things remain how they are.

They are self-aware, willing to change and learn, and have a rational, logical view of things. It’s rare to meet people like that, but they are by far the best people. Someone’s philosophy on life is probably the best descriptor of a person.

Both. Most people who eat meat would say animal abuse is wrong, all while ignoring their own contribution. A lack of intellectual honesty and logical consistency that leads to moral problems is also anti-intellectual. They would say slavery is wrong because it is prejudice, and unjust for ‘xyz’ reasons, while also saying ‘xyz’ reasons aren’t good enough to change their mind away from eating meat.

Right-wingers are just disgusting beings. They can’t self-reflect or have any intellectual honesty in their thoughts.

People who say completely ignorant shit and act like their opinion holds any weight need to learn that it means fuck all. Sadly, there are far too many self-centred people in our society for all of them to be humbled. And of all things, to care about trans people? Really, how often do you encounter them? I think the real cause when people hate on others unprovoked is insecurity of themselves.

Yeah, there are reasons to be anti-religion and even potentially anti-immigrant, those issues have actual logically and morally consistent reasons. Whereas racism and the others are entirely emotional and based on nothing. Religion is belief literally founded on nothing.

All forms of prejudicial arguments are wrong. Just don’t talk about speciesism though, because most people will lose their shit 10x harder.

I’ve only found people who say really stupid shit get completely downvoted to the floor on Lemmy and there are almost always extensive responses. Anecdotes aren’t the best evidence, I guess my experience was very different.

However, at least you can actually see if people upvoted or downvoted and not just the total, so people are less inclined to just hop the train straight away. Depends largely on the instance though. I’m pretty sure Hexbears can’t even downvote.

Lemmy is far better than Reddit regarding the use of downvotes, but many people still use it as an emotional disagreement button rather than something used to hide useless/irrelevant content. I only downvote when somebody says something completely fucked or starts trolling.

I don’t think upvoting funny comments is necessarily wrong, but there is a lack of meaningful engagement a lot of the time.

No. Do you have anything to add?

I enjoy literature very much, but I don’t see why they couldn’t have picked something more relevant or thought-provoking. My own teachers said it was just what they did as part of the curriculum because it was the easiest to teach relative to some of the other options.

Forcing people to do something is easier than making them change wilfully. But people still should have the moral integrity to make the right choice regardless. Plus, people are so propagandised and indoctrinated by the industry from politicians and other bullshit that it would be an incredibly hard battle to fight.

I don’t think there are only 2 outcomes. I asked a question regarding a potential of one absolute outcome.

Anybody who thinks themselves above making mistakes is delusional. It’s really concerning how people will live such self-centred lives without greater consideration or introspection. So many people lack self-awareness and the ability to properly process emotions without just giving in to them. Cultural conditioning and manipulation definitely plays a part in this. It took me so long to realise how wrong the consumption of animal products was because until I got around the age of 12 I thought much more highly of people and didn’t believe so many people would partake, willing or ignorantly, in the abuse of animals so carelessly. Realising how selfish and narrow-minded many people are is really saddening. It’s very rare for someone to break free from social conditioning, even more so by their own decisions alone.

I also have to agree the comments saying shit like ‘some people are stupid, others are not’ are just redundant. Similarly, the people who say ‘not everyone is an idiot, you have to see it from their perspective’ are also incredibly annoying. Even if people have reasons, they don’t provide adequate justifications. I can understand why they may have an idea or perspective, but it doesn’t make it valid. I have gone through understanding people more than most people to ever have existed will have tried, but I can’t fight every single case. Too many people think their opinion matters equally to another’s who has invested magnitudes more time into formulating it. I think people really need a humbling to be able to appreciate things and learn more.

Absolutely fucked up that your taxes go to supporting animal abuse whether you like it or not. Although, arguably worse is how many people don’t even give the animals’ suffering a second thought and just take the selfish path. Even fucking stupider is that chicken can be bought at the same price as tofu per kg. Like what the shit? Stop subsidising it. It’s environmentally destructive and incredibly immoral.

Anybody that ever said anything that could be classed as controversial has been if someone was salty enough to report them. Reddit went from corporate influenced to corporate interested above all else.

Everyone has gaps in their knowledge and errors in their thinking. A true master is an eternal student, or something like that. We can always learn. The problem here is too many people have their own ego impeding any progress.

I agree. But way too fucking many people will ignore the last 2.

I’ll never not see anti-intellectual people as stupid, even if they have their reasons. I used to be an idiot who actively did things they thought were wrong. But eventually I stopped because I realised it’s completely hypocritical and morally and logically wrong. I came to that conclusion without need of others judging me through my own self-reflection, and I’ll admit it was hard. Even so, I wished somebody would have called me out, but I guess animal consumption is so engrained in society people don’t even question it. I had my reasons to do so, but they were by no means a justification. I still try to understand things in different ways, but eventually it becomes redundant taking each case and doing so. The reality is that anti-intellectualism is incredibly prevalent and people need to change their ways of thinking. Sometimes they are just blatantly wrong and need to stop letting their emotions do their thinking. Sometimes there is nothing to understand. I don’t know why people are so bent on seeing every individual separately, it’s impossible to do so. Even if we do, they are still liable for their actions. Such as choosing not to self-reflect.