Israel ordered its state-run electricity company to halt supply to the Gaza Strip on Saturday after the Palestinian militant group Hamas launched a surprise attack on Israel, the energy minister said.

“I have signed an order instructing (Israel) Electric Company to stop the electricity supply to Gaza,” Energy Minister Israel Katz said in a statement.

At least 150 Israelis have been killed in the attacks launched by the Palestinian movement Hamas.

Israel said the Iran-backed group had declared war as its army confirmed fighting with militants in several Israeli towns and military bases near Gaza and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed to retaliate.

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      I don’t think this is a “punishment.” It seems rather foolish to expect them to supply electricity to the people actively using the electricity to kill their civillians.

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        Maybe Israel should have consider that before declaring the people of Palestine, as a whole second class citizens and slaves and erected a part-time between the two. Fuck israel and I hope they die

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          The people of Palestine are not second-class citizens of Israel, they are first-class citizens of Palestine. There is only one level of citizenship in Israel, and all citizens are afforded the full rights of any citizen. Every concession Israel offered the Palestinians was either rejected or used as an opportunity to ramp up terrorism. Look up the Olmert deal. Look up the withdrawal from Gaza. Look up the god damn Peel commission. We’ve constantly been vying for peace, and we’ve constantly been made to regret it.

          There is no slavery in Israel or Palestine. There is no “a part-time” either. If you’re gonna make up antisemitic lies, the least you could do is check your damn speech-to-text.

          Fuck you, I hope you don’t die, I hope you learn the vile nature of your lies and hate and the ashes they leave on your mouth cause you to grow the fuck up.

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        “to the people actively using electricity to kill their civilians”

        Right. So you’re telling me they have data analysts that can precisely tell which buildings are occupied by hamas and which are occupied by civilians. You know, intel that would be worth a fortune for them considering that’s kinda their enemy and it would be an incredible chance to get rid of them once and for all. Notwithstanding the fact that they’d have to have the ability to individually toggle electricity for every building, which, I have a feeling, does not in fact work that way.

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          Allow me to clarify.

          Their first priority is to stop their citizens from dying.

          If they need to cut off electricity to terrorists to do that, they will. If they need to cut off electricity to whole regions of the Gaza strip, or the Gaza strip altogether, to keep their people safe, they will.

          More targeted enforcement would be preferred. Sure. But that’s not what I said was happening.

          You know, intel that would be worth a fortune for them considering that’s kinda their enemy and it would be an incredible chance to get rid of them once and for all.

          Fun fact, Israel is very good at intel. Israel can often find which building are occupied by Hamas.

          Fun fact, Hamas enjoys operating from, and firing rockets from, civilian homes, mosques, hospitals, and schools. Here’s a handy list: https://kbin.social/m/Israel/t/368817/A-handy-list-of-sources-describing-where-Hamas-produces-stores

          One of Israel’s greatest challenges is finding ways to stop terrorism given this unfortunate reality. They develop technology to try to detect civilian presence in these buildings, and to, in case they miss anybody, warn the civilians and give them time to evacuate.

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          Not having that data is exactly the point, if they had that sure they could specifically cut power. But they don’t have that, and Hamas is mixing with civilians, so they’re forced to cut power across the board

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        expect them to supply electricity to the people actively using the electricity to kill their civillians.

        The second half of your comment refutes the first

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          what? how so? Are you saying you do expect them to help Hamas kill Israeli civilians? Is “not being allowed to kill Israeli civilians” a form of punishment, to you?

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              oh, for how many hours have the attacks been over? How many of the hostages were returned safely?

              Israel has said it has fought off a majority of the militants—not that it as fought them all off.

              there is no reason to think the attacks are over. There’s no reason to think they won’t come back with more rockets in an hour or two, let alone tomorrow.

              there certainly wasn’t any reason to think attacks were over back when Israel made the call to cut power.

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                  so are you still standing by your claim that the attacks are over? should I continue to cite attacks as they happen? or are you going to admit that the attacks are ongoing?

                  Medical care is compromised by the lack of power. The reason Israel cut off power was not to compromise medical care. The reason Israel cut off power was a military strategy to impede production and firing of rockets. I already pointed that out, but you’ve been entirely dishonest about it. You’ll ignore the point again in your next comment, won’t you?

                  You linked to a live thread, not to a source specific to water. I managed to find one bullet point on that page about a siege that covers water. I don’t think siege warfare is generally viewed as a form of reprisal. From what I understand, starvation is generally illegal under most treaties, but requires a “high degree of deprivation.”. From what I understand, Gaza is near water, and has access to food and water both internally, via Egypt, via its sea border, etc., etc. So… meh. We’ll see if it actually plays out as a starvation tactic, versus a tactic to shut down supply to enemy combatants and rocket manufacturing.

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        I might be wrong here, but i don’t think Hannah is using Tesla cannons to bomb Israel. How exactly does electricity factor into their plans?

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          I’m not sure how Hamas makes and fires its current rockets, but I imagine there are at least lightbulbs involved in their process.

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      Be that as it may, no government in the world would leave today’s events unanswered for.

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          They do target Hamas. Hamas likes to hide terrorist activity in homes, mosques, schools, and hospitals. Which is why Israel develops technology to try to ensure that there are no civilians present when it fires on a base of terrorist activity. And also why Israel uses a variety of technologies to warn any potential civilians who they might have missed that there is a counterattack coming to disable rocket fire. Hamas doesn’t mind the headlines when a few Palestinian civilians inevitably die in one of these counterstrikes. It’s part of the plan.

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            I’m aware of that. And that’s collateral damage, which is unfortunate but it happens in war, especially with groups like Hamas operating as you said. I’m specifically talking about shutting off all electricity to Gaza indiscriminately – that’s collective punishment.

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        The Palestinians are just answering the decades of colonialism and genocide they’ve received

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          nothing in Israel has resembled colonialism since its founding. The British and Ottoman and other colonies were quite awful, but thankfully, those times are over, and the indigenous people of Judea are welcome there once again.

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            Nothing? If forcibly taking people’s land doesn’t qualify as colonialism I don’t think anything does.

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            Metaphorical yesterday, but from the article is says maybe Iran government helped hamas? I don’t know, I just know that what hamas does to Israeli people is nothing compared to what Israel has done to the Palestinian people.

            But what’s funny is that Israeli government probably did kill a few Palestinians yesterday…. Which neither of us questioned. Funny not funny

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        No. If you are against Jews or Jewish people in general or even if you just think ill of them, you’re a fucking bigoted piece of shit.

        I was talking about the Israeli government, not Jewish people.

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    state-run electricity company

    I wonder what the energy prices are like in Israel…

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      That’s not even worth talking about, you should hear about Natanyahu’s ties to their phone and internet services. It is/was overt corruption to say the least.