Anduin1357

Mhm, so the historical claims of so many countries about this shallow should be at risk too huh.

Also, did we forget that the British promised both Palestine and Israel these lands? Palestine tried to wipe out the Israelis and they and their allies have been on a losing streak ever since. That includes the loss of land in a conflict. You know, consequences.

Those ideas originate mostly from those within reach of the IDF. They know what to do.

Then so be it and fight without complaint.

You made a strawman here, not all Palestinians are terrorists. I also didn’t make the argument that Palestinians are expected to overthrow Hamas.

Palestinians can undermine Hamas by giving information to the IDF.

Nope, the Israelis and Palestinians have claims to the region and the Israelis did historically live there during Ottoman times. The Palestinians don’t have a better claim than the Israelis.

Also, Israel built infrastructure to make the dessert livable. That’s not free.

Palestine lost the war, they should stop being belligerent so that Israel can trust them to not be terrorists. That’s the whole reason why there’s an apartheid. They’ve made their bed for themselves.

And how does this undermine their ability to reject Hamas? They could have worked with Israel if they disagreed with Hamas and all that they do.

they clearly harbor terrorists

Most people are innocent civilians and none of them asked for this shit.

So instead of working with Israel, they chose to let Hamas represent them. Makes sense.

Because everywhere they went and got absorbed into the general population, they fermented revolution against the country they were in.

Conveniently ignoring the fact that I am referencing their sources.

Too bad, because they clearly harbor terrorists who have invited war on them.

Am I supposed to feel bad when they FAFO?

Egypt is wary of Palestinians, I wonder why. /s

They can’t just keep turning their people into combatants and not expect to be suppressed for it.

Steps can’t be skipped when they threaten the security of Israel.

Explain how these facts are racist and xenophobic.

lmao what hearts and minds do you expect to win out of a population who has religious beef with you? A population who would gladly wipe you out if they could?

Nah, Israel needs to be able to throw the baby out with the bathwater in the name of peace, so that Palestinians can find their peace elsewhere.

And if they were to move, Israel would take over the evacuated area. It’ll be enough for awhile, but the population is ever growing. Who will Israel invade next?

That is so bad faith. There is plenty of dessert left to expand into.

Where exactly are the Palestinians supposed to settle? The Israelis took their land, homes, and businesses, so a great many Palestinians are impoverished. Many can’t afford to move.

A great start would be to stop all this militant jihad nonsense and concentrate on stability and engaging with the Israeli economy. If you keep having thoughts of causing harm to Israel, why would anyone on their side want to employ you people.

Quit shooting yourselves in the feet.

So I’m saying “idiotic shit” while you’re “actually educated on the topic at hand”.

It’s clear that you don’t have anything constructive to say when you appeal to popular opinion like that.

You know why their passport is weak? Because everywhere they went and got absorbed into the general population, they fermented revolution against the country they were in.

They did it to themselves.

It’s clear that Palestinians are not interested in peace with Israel, so why ask for help?

This kind of attitude just means more conflict because Israel is never going to leave that land.

Which is why the Palestinians need to recognise the writing on the wall decades ago and pushed to settle somewhere else where it isn’t a lost cause. They can’t just keep turning their people into combatants and not expect to be suppressed for it.

Israel isn’t going anywhere, it will take more than the Middle East to force them and even then, they already have nukes.

Typical Reddit exchange recreated on Lemmy.

The have not secured the safety and security of their people, though. What their decades of oppression has bought them is continuous warfare.

Oh yes, what reason do they have to not intensify that effort militarily now? They aren’t going to look for peace to solve this anytime soon.

So doubling down on the approach of assigning collective blame to a whole population for the actions of some.

I can blame the whole Palestinian population of the Gaza Strip when Hamas is what they voted for, democratically.

So you keep arguing for massive war crimes of a level too extreme even for the far-right Israeli government, in other words.

I am an online commentator. Do I look like I hold sway over their policies? This is just the outcome that I expect Israel to pursue, given that the Palestinians have been so belligerent.

False. It takes the will and the courage to out the terrorists amongst them to the Israelis so that the terrorists will be hindered and slowly wiped from prominence.

Ah, so you just want them to be quislings and collaborate with their own oppressors. When has that ever worked again, remind me? This is nothing but an excuse to justify your support for continued oppression.

And so I see that you support terrorism. A shame.

That is the risk you run when you oppress a population for decades. But if that were to happen, at least they would actually have a moral leg to stand on. Now they do not.

And so Israel is justified to be worried about the risk, because you handwaved it for them because “they would deserve it”.

So to make this clear: You’re regretful Israel is unable to carry out what would be one of the worst crimes against humanity since World War 2? Something which would reach stage 8 of Stantons 10 stages of Genocide?

If you could relocate these troubled Palestinians somewhere that they can form a new state without all this constant conflict - without breaking up families, I will call that a win because they would have a chance to have a future in autonomy rather than little while in oppression.

It isn’t a humanitarian failure if done right, just don’t scatter them to the world like refugees. It’s not that hard to avoid “genocide”.

And besides, the Israeli goodwill is running out.

Well, yes, gross human rights violations for decades do eventually tend to piss people off.

I do actually mean that the Israel’s patience has run thin on being amicable with the Palestinians. I don’t know what meaning you had in mind.

Calling crimes against humanity “just”. So much for caring about the millions of innocents you casually are arguing for harming.

The Palestinians started the conflict before the independence of Israel, and they lost even with the aid of the Arab League. If that isn’t a lost cause, I don’t know what is. It’s only just that Israel be given the peace that it has earned, multiple times over.

If you don’t like it, the Arab world is free to try their luck again. It’s better when Israel’s enemies take off their mask so that they can openly wipe the floor with them.