A federal judge has struck down a California law banning gun magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. U.S.

California cannot ban gun owners from having detachable magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, a federal judge ruled Friday.

The decision from U.S. District Judge Roger Benitez won’t take effect immediately. California Attorney General Rob Bonta, a Democrat, has already filed a notice to appeal the ruling. The ban is likely to remain in effect while the case is still pending.

This is the second time Benitez has struck down California’s law banning certain types of magazines. The first time he struck it down — way back in 2017 — an appeals court ended up reversing his decision.

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
    3230·
    9 months ago

    “There have been, and there will be, times where many more than 10 rounds are needed to stop attackers,” Benitez wrote. “Yet, under this statute, the State says ‘too bad.’”

    I’m sorry, but if ten shots don’t make your attackers run away, you’re pretty fucked.

    I was gonna throw in some sarcastic humor, but it keeps coming out very dark, so I’m withholding that. This sucks.

    • Liz@midwest.socialEnglish
      216·
      9 months ago

      I’ve seen video of a small lady with a handgun chasing out four home intruders while taking wild, panicked shots. Yes, these guys ran, but not everyone will. Two and a half shots per intruder doesn’t sound like a fun time.

      • JustZ@lemmy.world
        617·
        9 months ago

        Yeah, well, sometimes your home is invaded and you get killed in your sleep. Shit happens. A gun isn’t going to stop that. You’re way more likely to use it to shoot yourself anyway.

        • Jeremy [Iowa]@midwest.socialEnglish
          78·
          9 months ago

          Interestingly enough, the lady doesn’t seem to have died in her sleep - that a firearm did, indeed, stop that invasion. Weird, that.

          I’m interested in seeing your sources comparing frequency of defensive use of firearms to frequency of firearm suicides. When making such a bold assertion, surely you’ve got actual data and aren’t just talking out of your ass… right?

          Right?

            • Jeremy [Iowa]@midwest.socialEnglish
              2·
              9 months ago

              Which is perfectly fitting in response to an absurd, reductionist generalization.

              You seem to be rather one-sided in your application of criticism.

          • JustZ@lemmy.world
            48·
            9 months ago

            The last refuge of the gun proponent pertains to the issue of self-defense. This is certainly a major perceived reason for the private ownership of guns. In a 1979 survey, when asked why they possessed a gun, 20% of all gun owners and 40% of handgun owners cited self-defense as the reason. It is unfortunate that these people may be operating under a delusion, having subjected themselves and their families to great danger in the guise of self-protection. One study examined the number of times a gun is used in self-defense against the risk of having a gun in the home in King County, Washington. The risks measured by the authors were the cumulation of “death from unintentional gunshot wounds, homicide during domestic quarrels, and the ready availability of an immediate, highly lethal means of suicide.” The authors conclude that for every instance of a death resulting from defensive use of a gun, there were 43 gun deaths resulting from domestic fights, accidents, or suicides.

            Can you not do math? This isn’t at all in dispute. Having a gun in your home makes you exponentially more likely to be killed by a gun. You are perhaps tenfold more likely to shoot a family member than an intruder.

            • trafficnab@lemmy.ca
              6·
              9 months ago

              Did you know that owning a car makes you exponentially more likely to die in a car accident?

              • JustZ@lemmy.world
                24·
                9 months ago

                Very much. Cars also do lots of useful things other than kill, did you know that, or do you have a hard time with depth?

                  • JustZ@lemmy.world
                    13·
                    9 months ago

                    No, the subject always had depth. That your understanding is superficial does not mean the goalpost has moved so far as you now understand what the rest of us already realized.

            • Jeremy [Iowa]@midwest.socialEnglish
              33·
              9 months ago

              I see you didn’t respond to what was stated. As a reminder:

              I’m interested in seeing your sources comparing frequency of defensive use of firearms to frequency of firearm suicides. When making such a bold assertion, surely you’ve got actual data and aren’t just talking out of your ass… right?

              Right?

              This, even before your additional questionable conclusion from what is clearly an source so unbiased you cannot taint its unbiasedness by… actually showing support for your position.

              I’ll consider your criticism regarding math when you’ve polished up those reading skills.

    • nBodyProblem@lemmy.world
      9·
      9 months ago

      Under this logic, why do we have exemptions for police? Why does almost every single police department issue handguns with a capacity of 15 or more?

      • KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world
        14·
        9 months ago

        The same way we allow cops to arrest people and transport them into a police station for booking. There are exceptions to rules. Does that not make sense to you?

        • nBodyProblem@lemmy.world
          4·
          9 months ago

          It only makes sense for cops to have an exemption if we first accept the premise that standard capacity magazines have utility for personal protection, and not just to shoot into crowds.

          The police response to BLM riots is the perfect example of why I think it’s important for the populace to be just as well armed as the government.

        • BaldProphet@kbin.social
          4·
          9 months ago

          I don’t agree with the premise that the government can be better armed than me in peacetime. Disarm the cops.

    • BombOmOm@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2314·
      9 months ago

      Attackers do not always run away when presented with lethal force. Sometimes many direct hits are required to stop the threat. Many, many shots can end up in non-critical locations. It’s not like an attacker is allowing you to line up nicely.

    • Jax@sh.itjust.works
      99·
      9 months ago

      PCP. Angel dust will turn someone into a borderline unkillable god. Unless you drive all 10 of those shots into their chest instantly there’s a good chance you’re fucked.

      Edit: Crazy how the dude above me is positive for saying the same thing I am.

    • bobman@unilem.org
      821·
      9 months ago

      I was gonna throw in some sarcastic humor

      Good. It was probably going to be a lame reddit-joke, anyways.

      I wish you people would realize you’re not as funny as you think you are.

        • bobman@unilem.org
          23·
          9 months ago

          Errr… what? I clearly said what I thought.

          “I wish you people would realize you’re not as funny as you think you are.”

          What’s your point? Lol.