Votes are earned.
He makes a great point, endorsing Biden isn’t going to do anything to win their contract battles. The liberal DC blob has gotten so used to union leadership being adjuncts to the Democrat machine that when they steadfastly put union members first, the libs go ballistic.
That’s basically the argument I make to normies when I explain why I don’t vote for the Dems. They take the left (I mean the broader “left”) for granted, so just handing over our votes and demanding nothing return means you get nothing. And we’re at the point now that the Dems aren’t even throwing the most basic of bones to the left.
Breaking up the railroad strike has been my go-to example. Demanding that Dems support unions other than when it’s convenient for them (and unobtrusive to capital) is the most basic demand the left can make, and it’s one that I’ve found that regular ass libs I know irl have a hard time arguing against.
They’ll bend over backwards to compromise with republicans but they won’t bend a finger to compromise with us. Why should I care if their political project fails?
Everytime I bring it up the drms insist that Biden personally worked to get the union member everything they asked for and then why I ask them why didn’t he just support them originally they say it would have hurt the economy.
They have an excuse for everything even if it contradicts their last excuse.
Wow, who would have thought that shutting down the railroad unions would cause some union leaders to be mad at you.
biden reaping
biden sowing
AOC’s instantaneous endorsement of Biden is far from the worst thing she’s done, but it might be the most pathetic.
AOC is just endorsing whoever the unions wanted her to endorse, man. You some sort of anti-union scab?
Power dynamics!
what are you talking about AOC is the coolest she said eat the rich!
Seeing her go from a nominally left-wing darling to a purely liberal one is a sight to see
She wants to be Pelosi
She probably wants to run in 2028 and Democratic primary voters are fanatics of the party.
“Wait, you mean folding to right-wing fascists is making the left lose confidence in us?!”The unions have turned against Joe Biden, which means they must be in favor of Trump.
We need to destroy them immediately.
Dont you know that unions are inherently right wing?
Well of course that’s right. The first word in the USSR anthem was “union”, and the USSR was authoritarian, in other words right wing. QED.
The media totally thinks that working class people owe some sort fealty to politicians when they do the most basic theater. The big media bust so hard over theater not substance.
i don’t know whether or not the media actually thinks that, but I do know that it is their job to say it.
Dude’s name is Sinn Féin
his name is Shawn Fain, with a name like that youre probably gonna start to do some cool shit
Posadist aliens are gonna be very confused when they try to translate the story about this Irish President Joe Biden being struck down by the Shawn Fain.
a proud friend of Erin Gobragh and Mr. Chucky Arlaw
This makes Biden look like a bullet-dodging superhero.
look mr. dubois, I’ve got him eating out of the palm of my hand!- Listen, Jack. Mr. Evrart is helping me find… you know… the thing!
mr. evrart is helping me find my lost doohickey
Margaret brenner looked so pissed it had to be forced. It looks like she was told to look angry while asking that hard hitting dull whiffle ball question.
I used to see her all the time on bloomberg concern trolling CEOs during the financial crisis about their bailouts. Glad she’s staying busy defending capitalists on face the nation.
YOU - “Evrart is a hero of the worker’s movement.”
Hexbear opinions: Claires as genuine socialists or mere crooks? Seems like a lot of people just boil them down to their distasteful tactics and nature, do they miss what seems like genuine motivation against the corpos or is it actually just self service?
Hard to tell with such adept liars, but Evrart’s admission (if you want to take it as such) to Harry that his ultimate goal is to take everything from the capitalists of Revachol, always struck me as at least partially sincere.
Supposing that they are genuine socialists, that isn’t going to automatically make them nice men. Quite the opposite, most major historical figures weren’t nice people. Even heroes like Lenin and Stalin had hands that were far from clean; the Tiflis bank robbery is just one example of the kind of tactics they were known to resort to. I’ve heard the term “gangster socialism” used to facetiously describe the Bolsheviks’ early activities. If you believe the Claires are true comrades, then they’re also undoubtedly practicioners of gangster socialism par excellence.
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The Claires are doing anything in their power to maintain their authority and that includes doing sketchy things as long as they’re trying to survive. Anyone trying to achieve organized power in Revachol is going to be sketchy. So they are crooks, because being a crook is the only way to exist as a dominant force under Moralist rule. Evrart is utilitarian to a fault. If it works to keep the union in power, it’s good.
Whether or not it’s self-service, why should it matter? The union’s taken the dock and they’re genuinely organized.
C’mon, despite all of his faults Evrart is much more pro-worker than Biden. This is anti-Evrart slander.
Yeah ok good
Anchor: seems disdainful in their questioning
Title: media FLIPS THEIR FUCKING SHIT
Democrats continue being anti-worker and the usual office working libs will argue that the tradies are too dumb/problematic to understand the nuances of Biden.
timestamp https://youtu.be/OVl9FGe8fno?t=1417
Sorry it took awhile for me to ban. I was away for a time and was sick due to my recent Covid-19 booster shot and flu shot.
I banned for 30 days just in case they might learn a thing or two, but I’m regreting it, tbh; I should’ve banned for longer.
Ah well. I’ll be more active later and catch 'em.
Personally I didn’t mind them that much, they had pretty bog-standard lib opinions except they were being slightly more annoying about it than average but I don’t really mind the ban either, the discussion wasn’t really going anywhere.
Yes, and I banned them for wrecking and being argumentative, especially about a topic that is an open wound for a lot of Marxists.
personally, I don’t mind having a pet lib to dunk on
I believe that they can be taught, but we’ll see. If they wreck or derail/divert a convo again, I’ll ban again.
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No, you’re completely fine!
Oh that’s ok, don’t worry about it
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