• WhoRoger@lemmy.worldMEnglish
    11611·
    10 months ago

    For those who missed this. Izzy, the (only) mod at the science fiction community, was banned by admins.

    The reason is him often complaining about there being ads in the Sync client for Lemmy.

    Admins take that as toxic behavior and harassment, and ultimately banned him. Which… Take it as you wish, the modlog and comment histories are available.

    Izzy came back from another account to say their goodbyes, as they no longer wish to be involved anyway. This post seems to have disappeared.

    Then a bit later, admin came to SF to make a post looking for new mods. When people brought up the situation, they locked the thread.

    • Stovetop@lemmy.worldEnglish
      52·
      10 months ago

      You know, I thought nothing about it for a second until I remembered a conversation I was in a couple days ago…and sure enough, there is Izzy in my inbox complaining about Sync having ads.

      I had said something along the lines of their stance being a weird hill to die on, but it looks like die on it they did.

    • canthidium@lemmy.worldEnglish
      351·
      10 months ago

      I would just like to chime in here as I helped Izzy mod c/sciencefiction for a couple months and left the mod team a couple weeks ago. I decided to leave that community mostly because I just wasn’t that interested in the subject matter but also because I wasn’t vibing with Izzy. I noticed a lot of their posts about Sync and yes, they were pretty relentless popping in many threads just to shit on the ad platform. It was a lot. I also noticed some, what I feel are toxic comments, in some posts about COVID and I ultimately decided I didn’t want to involve myself with them any longer. Now I only know what Antik and Izzy have stated, there hasn’t been any additional given in mod channels so I know as much as you all, but I believe there is more that Izzy was doing in private messages that led to their ban. They were polite to me in our personal conversations but I can see them taking it too far with the admins. Take that for what you will, just my opinion. But I thought I’d at least say something having been a mod in that community as well.

    • edric@lemm.eeEnglish
      191·
      10 months ago

      Was he as obnoxious with the sync rants as the admins said he was though? The way they said it seemed to me they were complaining about it everywhere. Although I’m not sure how that got admin attention. Maybe lots of users reported them?

      • RobMyBot@lemmy.mlEnglish
        11·
        9 months ago

        I’ve seen the guy around and it’s literally the only thing I’ve ever witnessed him talk about. It’s like an actual obsession.

      • WhoRoger@lemmy.worldMEnglish
        2117·
        10 months ago

        Definitely adamant, but from what I’ve seen, nothing out of the ordinary on Lemmy where everyone is free to bring to certain topics and removed about them constantly and anywhere (Reddit, Musk, cops…). Like everyone is free to pile on and brigade against Unity right now, so I don’t see the difference.

        If anything, I’ve definitely seen more toxicity from some defensive Sync users myself.

        Back when lots of apps were coming out, I was also questioning how weird it is to have a closed-source ad-supported client for this platform that’s all about open source and privacy, and was called all kinds of names. I’ve blocked quite a few people at that time rather than reporting, that’s what I prefer to do.

        I asked an admin directly several times if there was anything else than these kinds of incidents, and couldn’t get a straight answer.

        • eee@lemm.eeEnglish
          91·
          10 months ago

          But isn’t that the beauty of an open source platform? That anyone can do anything with it?

          If Sync is closed source and wants to add ads, sure. If beehaw wants to use activitypub and create their own little isolated mini-forum, sure. If hexbear wants to be… Well, hexbear, then sure.

          I have thoughts about how certain things are run, and I complain about it here and there, but it’s not in every single post I make, nor do I actively seek out posts discussing it so I can jump in and try to steer the convo there. It’s subjective, but there is a line somewhere.

        • Ech@lemm.eeEnglish
          42·
          10 months ago

          I asked an admin directly several times if there was anything else than these kinds of incidents, and couldn’t get a straight answer.

          Well, they don’t owe you a “straight answer” now, do they? Trying to cause drama and rile up outrage over this is just foolish.

          • WhoRoger@lemmy.worldMEnglish
            36·
            9 months ago

            Guess not, but then don’t be surprised if the others don’t get a clear picture, don’t complain when the information is incomplete, and don’t be a hypocrite by assuming someone else’s motivations.

        • Grippler@feddit.dkEnglish
          515·
          10 months ago

          The Sync users in that latest thread with izzy are definitely a bunch of butt hurt people.

    • kameecoding@lemmy.world
      English
      14·
      10 months ago

      The reason is him often complaining about there being ads in the Sync client for Lemmy.

      bet there is a bit more to it than that…

      • Jtee@lemmy.worldEnglish
        305·
        10 months ago

        With all the available clients that don’t have ads, is there really justification to complain?

        • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          192·
          10 months ago

          If you like something and it has one major flaw there’s nothing wrong with being vocal about wanting it to be better

          Though yeah one should prolly swap eventually

          • Decoy321@lemmy.worldEnglish
            373·
            10 months ago

            It’s the dumbest reason though. The reason Sync has ads is because the person who made Sync wants to make money off it. Just like they did for Sync for Reddit.

            That’s why they put ads in.

            Unlike every other Lemmy client, which lacks ads.

            This dude deliberately picked his hill among many other options, walked their ass voluntarily all the wall to the top, then shot themselves.

          • Jtee@lemmy.worldEnglish
            9·
            10 months ago

            Fully agree! I’m not fully in the loop but it sounds like a lot of complaining occured instead of realizing it was going nowhere.

            Haven’t come across any ads in Voyager. Jus sayin

          • Neve8028@lemm.eeEnglish
            86·
            10 months ago

            Just buy it and you’ll get no ads. Not everything is free. There are plenty of other free options, anyways.

              • Jtee@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                9 months ago

                Not in the slightest. I’m saying why complain to the void when you know nothing will change. The complaining mod chose to use an app with ads and then complained about the ads when they could have chosen an app with no ads.

      • marcos@lemmy.worldEnglish
        16·
        10 months ago

        Complaining about ads, in an unaffiliated (well, you can’t be affiliated to lemmy at all) 3rd party client…

        Well, we can say he was gone on his own terms. The terms weren’t very wise, but they were his own.

        But now I’m wondering about the future of scifi@world.

    • Silverseren@kbin.social
      122·
      10 months ago

      This sounds perfectly Reddit.

      I thought we came to the Fediverse to escape this bullshit.

      • Spaniard@lemmy.worldEnglish
        17·
        10 months ago

        No matter where you go, you can’t escape that if you are interacting with humans.

        • flying_sheep@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          10 months ago

          Hm, I think if everyone knows mostly everyone in real life and therefore has enough investment to work things out permanently.

          But limiting oneself to friend communities would be very limiting as you wouldn’t get outside perspectives.

      • NotOverSeether@lemmy.worldEnglish
        31·
        9 months ago

        redditors leave reddit to form their own community

        realize that this community is just like reddit

        get mad about it

        Gee, I wonder what the problem is.

    • t0fr@lemmy.caEnglish
      3·
      9 months ago

      I think often needs to be bolded there.

      I agree with him, but I don’t think I was toxic about it or even really intended to be toxic.

    • Bizarroland@kbin.social
      241·
      10 months ago

      Reddit basically started an internet orgy at their house and after the party had long been started declared that they’re the only ones allowed to cum.

  • WhoRoger@lemmy.worldMEnglish
    194·
    10 months ago

    I was trying to think of a meme for this situation but I’m too depressed, honestly. So yea, apt

  • Vaggumon@lemm.eeEnglish
    175·
    10 months ago

    I moved my account from Lemmy.world to another instance for reasons, what’s happening now?

    • ComicalMayhem@lemmy.worldEnglish
      281·
      10 months ago

      According to the one comment I read from some mod or admin on the sci-fi community, one of the mods was starkly against some feature and supposedly would derail the conversation with criticisms every time it came up. They were kicked for 1 day and allegedly threw a fit, demanding repercussions and apologies, and crossed a line in their appeals, so they were permanently banned.

      Don’t know everything though, this is literally just one second or third hand perspective.

      Edit: whoops didn’t realize someone else already described it haha. Take a look further down the thread (or higher depending on how you have it sorted)