We know most of you were thrilled about our Discord server, so we decided to make you even happier with our very own space on matrix!
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There is an announcement room for all the latest and greatest about Lemmy World: https://matrix.to/#/#announcements:lemmy.world
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A General channel where everyone is welcome to join and talk: https://matrix.to/#/#general:lemmy.world
And lastly, this one is more for admins of other instances but we have opened a “LW Defense HQ” room which we want to use in our ongoing fight against spammers: https://matrix.to/#/#defense:lemmy.world
Come join us!
EDIT: Madlad @ruud@lemmy.world was easily convinced to set up a lemmy.world matrix server. So I edited the links to the new space and rooms. The old ones still work too!
That means you can now also sign up for a Lemmy World matrix account. Instructions in this comment: https://lemmy.world/comment/3443207
One of the things I love about Lemmy is finding out about new things. Now I get to figure out what matrix is!!!
Same idea as Lemmy except for chat. Basically Reddit is to Lemmy as Slack / Discord is to Matrix. One minor detail is Matrix is actually the protocol, so it’s more like ActivityPub (which is Lemmy’s protocol), and there are specific apps for Matrix which use that protocol.
Thank you for this explanation!
You’re welcome! Glad I could help.
I heard it’s like Discord
No, it has some differences. We don’t have channels but spaces, which in discord terms are groups of different discord “servers”. For example you can create a Lemmy space with different rooms (matrix equivalent of discord servers) like general, coding, fediverse etc. Inside the Lemmy space. Currently video calls are a bit finicky but it’s still pretty good. Especially with E2E. For a complete clone you can use rocket.chat
Aren’t spaces more or less the building block for “servers”? i.e. can’t you basically have channels by grouping rooms in a shared space?
Spaces are similar to discords servers/guilds yeah, but rooms don’t have to be in a space and they can be in as many spaces as anyone wants
that’s the alternative approach that matrix took. Probably has to do with technical things I don’t know about. But they a little bit inconvenient and less smoother than what discord has.
It is just a matter of presentation by the client. Hopefully they figure out how to join all rooms in a space at once to make switching “channels” more smooth.
Native group calls are being actively worked on with element call and what Do you mean by channels?
Native group calls are being actively worked on with element call
I know, it’s great! But I am just saying that it’s not there yet. But hopefully soon!
#general, #gaming etc. in discord. https://sh.itjust.works/comment/3298872
You can kinda have that with spaces, I don’t see any reason why clients couldn’t sort them like discord does, would probably need something added to the spec so they can be sorted a certain way if users wanted to
Lol sweet. I will set it up after work.
You can even add your Matrix account in your Lemmy settings so that other users can DM you securely through Matrix, not the Lemmy or Matrix admins will be able to read messages sent through that.
I had no idea that’s what it was for. I hadn’t added mine for fear of spam but this makes way more sense now.
It’s a modern IRC.
Same same lol my brother in gentle confusion
Did you know you can bridge matrix to discord? So your discord users can talk to your matrix users?
That is so cool, I’m gonna have to try Matrix
Yes but no. Yes, technically possible. No, I don’t think it’s what you’re looking for - you’d want to create your own bot for your own account (each user needs its own bot), and it’s technically against Discord TOS to use, so use at your own risk.
No each user doesn’t need their own bot you just add one bot on the matrix side and one in the discord side
Can you share what type of bot you’re using? The last time I tried this, I had to add a personal app key for the bot, which was linked to my account. It created a bunch of discordbot profiles, one for each user in my contacts, and added them to the server. I’m not positive but I think that anyone who messages these profiles will be messaging my contacts, though I think they didn’t appear in the directory by default. Either way, if anyone wanted to setup a new user, they would need to go through the same process I did, which includes having admin access to the server.
Where did I go wrong?
I’m afk but Honestly if you Google matrix discord bridge you should find it. It really doesn’t need all that. I’m running it right now
There’s a few options, which is why I’m thinking maybe I did the wrong one. Do either of these ring a bell?
- https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-discord
- https://codeberg.org/git-bruh/matrix-discord-bridge
- https://github.com/mautrix/discord
IIRC I used mautrix and used puppetting. I assume you’re also using puppetting?
Iirc it’s the first one
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Minecraft server next. 😃
You don’t know me, but I’ve seen you on TV (well more accurately Lemmy)–what a great idea!
Have you seen me in the movie theater recently yet? I can’t promote it, but the movie is still playing.
No I don’t own a movie theater unfortunately.
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I really like the thought that this is Margot Robbie.
I do too.
Huh, I guess I should find out what Matrix is!
It’s got an ominous name for sure xD but then Discord isn’t exactly a happy name either :P
It’s an open source group text chat protocol, with multiple apps/programs you can use it with
I guess it’s just a federated version of Discord.
But open source. Not owned and operated by one company.
Discord is garbage.
You mean you don’t like having to pay for Nitro just to make your profile icon an animated .gif, a feature which costs the developers literally nothing?
…Yeah, me neither.
I honestly think it’s nice. You’re paying for mostly cosmetic stuff and the core Discord experience is unaffected.
I’m not sure if they suck or have shady businesses, but I have never felt the desire to pay for Nitro. I hope they manage to get profit with such an unremarkable set of perks.
I pay for nitro, not because I necessarily care about the features but just because it’s neet and convient. Like, I can upload to another playform and share a link, or I can just buy nitro and pay for the convience. I use discord every day so I don’t really mind supporting them.
I really don’t understand where al the “discord is garbage” and “fuck discord” comes from, my guess it’s just federation extremists hating on every company in existence.
Theres valid reasons to not like discord or not being FOSS isn’t one of them personally
I have also been using Discord since the start. I think people have forgotten how painful setting up groups on Skype or other alternative software was.
I might be wrong but I think some people just think all closed software is garbage, doesn’t matter how good or cheap it is.
That’s what I’m thinking, it’s really easy to use, really easy to grow communities, perfect to just set something up with friends. I think anyone that actually says discord is trash is just full of crap
I have never had a single issue with discord, what gives?
Only used Lenny for a couple months now. But there seems to be a very strong extremist undercurrent in most groups.
In this case, if it’s not FOSS and 100% FREE is a trash service/application.
You learn to just tune it out after a while.
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Of course! I tune it ALL extremists! That’s what you meant right? Right?
But you didn’t have an issue with reddit until the rugpull, right? Same point/worry with Discord and any other centralized close source system.
I had plenty of issues with Reddit and had been actively looking for an alternative for the better part of a year prior to the rugpull.
Reddit was great… until it wasn’t.
Building communities in somebody else’s backyard is problematic because if your community gets popular, you’re stuck there. History has shown us that for-profit social sites/apps that grow large always turn to crap when it’s time for them to actually start making a significant profit. I haven’t seen any reason to think that Discord has figured out a way to prevent that. Have you?
Something similar is even a risk with Lemmy because there isn’t really a way to migrate a community to another server if the admins of the one you pick change the policies in a way you aren’t OK with, or simply shut down the server.
Discord has decent UX and the voice channels are great and easy to use, it’s far from garbage, just because it isn’t open source and technically matrix is mainly made/maintained by one company who made it at the same time, they don’t own it and there’s a separate entity the matrix foundation which is non profit which owns the actual spec and all that stuff but the majority of stuff done in the spec was by element/new vector
just because it isn’t open source
You’re going to want to support projects that share their source with the world. Otherwise, how do you know what you’re actually using? You might want to give a read through discord’s TOS and make sure you’re comfortable with what they’re doing.
technically matrix is mainly made/maintained by one company who made it at the same time, they don’t own it and there’s a separate entity the matrix foundation which is non profit which owns the actual spec and all that stuff but the majority of stuff done in the spec was by element/new vector
Right. If it’s open source, the public owns it. You own it, as does New Vector and the Matrix foundation. You run the servers, or your friends do. You decide the terms and conditions. You extend the server or configure it in the way you like.
The difference here is that Discord is a black box operated by one company. Matrix is an open box operated by you or people you trust.
Congrats! You’re really giving folks all the options!
I’ve not had any luck joining any of these rooms. I click the link, continue with Element (the web app), I can see that I’m logged in and can access a room I’ve already joined (for moderating another community), but for these rooms, I’m just getting:
#lwgeneral:h-y-p-e-r.space is not accessible at this time.
Try again later, or ask a room or space admin to check if you have access.
M_UNKNOWN was returned while trying to access the room or space.
If you think you’re seeing this message in error, please submit a bug report.EDIT: the updated links work for me now!
Glad it’s not just me. I’m trying to find this in FluffyChat and it comes up blank.
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I think most people should avoid the matrix.org home server for increased decentralization.
Is Matrix just a fediverse equivalent to Discord?
Well, it’s not called fediverse specifically in the case of Matrix. But yeah, it is a federated alternative to Discord.
Ok.
Matrix is a federated protocol to build real-time data sharing apps. Mostly focuces on chat apps.
It has flexible model of rooms. You can create room with 2 people that behave like WhatsApp chat, invite more and you have group chat, make room of rooms (called spaces) that works like Discord communities, also there are video rooms in the way that would work like mix of Discord voice channels with invite links like Zoom. Room is decentralized across multiple servers and to add people you eather invite or create a public alias (like #general:lemmy.world).
This is a very good explanation.
Its closer to a texting app from my experience
I’m sure Discord CAN behave as a texting app too
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At this point there should be a brand-new domain: matrix.world 😎
So what’s the quick bullet point version of how Matrix works? Are there instance like Lemmy? If so, what are the best ones?
- Go to https://app.element.io/#/register
- Click on Edit next to matrix.org
- Other homeserver: lemmy.world
- Click Continue
- Enter Username, Password and Email
- Click Register
You now have a cool @lemmy.world matrix account. From there you can join rooms by clicking the links in the top post.
I just setup a matrix server at lemmy.world, so just register an account on that if you like ;-)
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I’ve only really used it a few times, but it’s not that hard. Open a matrix app (I used FluffyChat), put in username, put in the server you want to connect to, start typing text messages, done.
Because they don’t want you to regain your consciousness.
You don’t know how to use it? Or how it works behind the scenes?
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You mean bridging other platforms?
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Did you try with your own self hosted server or something being hosted by someone else/a company?
I’m set up using Beeper for consolidation of a lot of my messaging platforms, and they support Matrix. That said, I’m not having any success in finding the listed spaces from the urls in the original post. Is there some kind of federation that needs to take place for this to be possible or, I dunno, is there some extension of Matrix that needs to be supported by Beeper for this to work?
Beeper can be quirky when it comes to joining Matrix channels and it doesn’t support Matrix Spaces. You’ll have to join the individual channels via the desktop Beeper app.
Beeper doesn’t just support Matrix, it literally is a Matrix client and server.
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Beeper has some more tight integrations with the bridges made by tulir, like showing bridge health.
Discord, anti-libre software, does nothing to defend us from a rug pull: does Discord really think we’re stupid enough to fall for its scam.
Questions end with a question mark.
I’ll be honest, as always I prefer to get status updates on Mastodon and beyond that, Lemmy isn’t a chat system for me, it’s more of a forum-style interaction system.
But hey, I can see the need for chat in particular for mods, so cheers! 🥂
So glad and honestly relieved to see ya back up and running. More options are great.
Why Matrix (which from my experience is closer to a texting app) instead of Revolt? I haven’t used it personally, but Revolt looks a lot closer to Discord in terms of features and the usage experience.
Revolt isn’t federated which to me makes it not even an option.
You can use matrix for groups easily, it’s what I mainly use it for
Revolt isn’t nearly as mature as matrix is
Check out cinny.in it’s a discord styled client for matrix
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Matrix has some Lemmy integration already and perhaps more in the future.
How does it have lemmy integration?
I believe you can send DMs over the Matrix protocol. I’ve never looked into it.
