Despite his lip-service to democracy and human rights, Biden keeps embracing autocrats and would-be autocrats

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      10 months ago

      There’s always a choice, but while Modi’s India is a fairly bad ally, it’s still better than others, like Saudi Arabia. Gotta pick your battles.

      Maybe some day when the important conflicts are in a different region we can take India to task over things like their police-sanctioned cybercriminals that keep robbing the elderly.

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        police-sanctioned cybercriminals that keep robbing the elderly.

        Lmao. The police here are far too busy harassing innocent citizens to do that.

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      Yes, they have a choice. Ignoring India’s issues including that they in fact increase trade with Russia massively is not what stops them from going on like this.

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      Why would India join any sphere? India’s success historically has always been from a policy of neutrality and having the Himalayan mountains block any ideas against that neutrality.

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    Why would the US stop supporting autocratic and illiberal regimes now? Did we find our principles at any point in the last 70 years?

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      Can confirm, it’s literally 1939 and we force Muslims to wear gold stars and send them to concentration camps.

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        PM Modi says “Identify them by their clothes”, and all over India Hindu supremacists beat Muslim men to death after forcing them praise the Hindu god Ram.
        PM Modi ignores and refuses to discuss the ethnic & communal genocidal civil war in Manipur that is in its 5th month, while churches are burnt and Kukis have been ethnically cleansed from Imphal valley.
        Peacefully protesting Sikh farmers are called Khalistani and terrorists while a violet hindu supremacist attacks them under Delhi police’s eye.

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            I don’t know when he said that but he was the same guy under which 2001 happened, so I don’t doubt it.

            https://youtu.be/WvdqK09BWBs?t=57

            But muslims lynch hindus too

            Please don’t lie, Indian Muslims neither force Hindus to praise Allah nor do they lynch Hindus.

            don’t know when this happened. :(

            What do you know then?

            Although I supported the Sikh farmers, they were not peacefully protesting.

            You are lying. India’s farmers had been peacefully protesting the pro-corporate farm laws that Modi rammed through Parliament since they left their homes to meet the PM in Delhi. On their way, they were subject to state violence in Haryana by Haryana state govt & central forces, then they were prevented from entering Delhi by Delhi police and central paramilitary forces who barricaded the roads, created concrete barriers, and planted iron spikes on the roads. India’s farmers rather than react violently sat down on the public roads that they were stopped on. They braved rain, floods, winter, Delhi’s fiery summer all without any violence on their part. Violence was inflicted on them throughout by the Modi govt and BJP’s goons & they were lied about constantly by Godimedia.
            670 of India’s farmers died on the streets outside Delhi waiting for PM Modi to atleast meet them. Modi’s response to the deaths was ‘Did they die for me?’

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          Yeah we have daily ritual of beating Muslims. Not to mention this clothing we make them wear. It is required by PM modi’s law to kick a Muslim whenever we see them.

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            Yeah we have daily ritual of beating Muslims.

            Combine that with violent Islamophobic hate-speech, destroying centuries old shrines of Sufi saints, and you’ll find it has become a daily all-day event. If India had a tracker saying “_ days since we persecuted Muslims since 2014” , that no. would show 0.

            If you’re embarassed at the outing of religious perssecution of minority religions in India, then instead of playing a wierd denial game, work to stop the persecution.

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        Wow. Genocide is not a minimum criteria for fascism.

        Fascism is characterized by an ideology that one group of people is superior to others. That’s literally the ideology of the RSS. Hindu nationalism is fascism.

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      As an Indian, this issue is far more complex than you make it out to be. I never voted for BJP but yeah, they are not fascists, but the potential is there. RSS is basically like the military wing of BJP, more accurately, BJP is the political wing of RSS.

      We Indians have seen oppression under the left and the right, so we don’t usually use these labels so loosely.

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        The RSS was created based on fascism and its laders were huge fans of Hitler & Mussolini.

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          Socialism is like the ex we thought was too pretty but turned out not to be that pretty :(

          Tried that, didn’t work all that good. Although it kinda had it’s advantages. I like what we have in India better

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            There’s a reason Deng Xiaoping wrote what he did on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: the Soviet model of socialism wasn’t as effective as it needed to be for developing countries.

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    Unsure what they think letting India have only Russia to turn to would gain the US, but I promise it isn’t realistic.

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    Yeah, no. I am all against Modi and the BJP and most of their policies (except for the Foreign policy which has been a win acc to me)

    But, no. You will not punish Indians because Modi is the leader of the country. And it’s not in US interest to do this either. Some idiot at the Guardian might think this, but yeah, thankfully US foreign policy heads are not this dumb.

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      What punishment are you talking about? Did we read the same article?

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          Why are you lying? You are lying and you know you are lying. You read me clearly say multiple times not only in this article that I wasn’t a modi supporter. Heck, I didn’t vote for the guy even though I could have thrice! So, why are you lying?

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            I notice you responded to this but didn’t answer the question. There’s no “punishment” referenced in the article but here you are throwing a temper tantrum. What exactly are you talking about?

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              I was wrong. The article goes on to say what’s wrong and most of it is accurate (i.e., there are more truths than outright lies in there) but yeah, it doesn’t talk about a punishment.

              But I am afraid that this could be a pretext for “punishment” and the condition in India, though bad is not as bad as they describe it in here. Anyways, yeah I kinda was wrong there in talking about punishment and shit.

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      US foreign policy is happy to punish Chinese people for Xi Jinping and Iranian people for Khamenei. Iranian women who want to study in the US and leave the regime get their visas denied and their study rights revoked for the audacity of having an Iranian passport.

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      Thats how ive always felt about North Korea. America is why they starve

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    Reminder that India is still happily trading with Russia by buying their arms and buying their oil. In fact, India and Russia together found ways to circumvent the oil price cap and most Indians support Russia in Ukraine.

    India is not an American ally. They’re neutral and self-interested as they’ve always been.

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      India is also happily trading with China. It’s imports from China increased after China built villages in India’s Arunchal Pradesh, invaded India’s Ladakh & beat 20 Indian soldiers to death. Prime Mninister Modi’s response to that act invasion & aggression was to publicly say that China did not invade India.

      Modi is not USA’s friend. He is a dictator who is friendly with other dictators.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldB
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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Biden opened his address to the summit by describing his motivation for holding it: “in the face of sustained and alarming challenges … democracy needs champions”.

    More recently, Biden invited Benjamin Netanyahu, who is presiding over the destruction of Israel’s democracy by targeting its judicial system, for an official visit to the United States.

    In 2005 Modi, then the chief minister of Gujarat, was denied entry to the US because of his role in ethnic violence that left over 1,000 people dead, the vast majority of them Muslims.

    According to a recently declassified report from the British Foreign Office, the Hindu mobs’ “systematic campaign of violence has all the hallmarks of ethnic cleansing” and “Narendra Modi is directly responsible.”

    The National Registry Act, already implemented in the Indian state of Assam, is a seemingly contradictory effort to expel illegal immigrants.

    Jack Kirby, a US national security official, has made light of objections to Modi, declaring that “India is a vibrant democracy.


    The original article contains 861 words, the summary contains 161 words. Saved 81%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

    • xuxebiko@kbin.socialOP
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      Please do. Create a different post/thread and well discuss those as well in that thread.