Elon Musk "secretly" disrupted a Ukrainian sneak attack on a Russian naval fleet by turning off Starlink's satellite network near the Crimean coast last year.
But Starlink DIDN’T have a contract with the US government, DOD, or Ukraine government. That’s the point. And they went ahead and used it for guided munitions.
Which is a violation of the terms of service and not what anyone at SpaceX had intended.
Problem is, that’s exactly how they ended up being used!
True, but didn’t Starshield happen after this stuff? I guess I need to relook at the timeline. But as I remember things, he started tossing starlink access at Ukraine, tried to get DoD to pay, they chose not to. Then he started to these games, and after that DoD started paying up. Starshield was announced a little bit after that.
Where do you draw the line? Should he also be allowed to sell his services to Russia? Should private companies from the US be allowed to sell arms to Russia?
Never mind that. Let’s suppose he can sell his services to whomever he likes.
What about the privacy implications? How did he know that specific attack was planned? Can he just listen in on any communication going across Starlink? I don’t think anyone should be okay with that.
The whole reason this happened is because he disabled Starlink satellites over Russia in order to help the Ukrainian war effort. He just refused to turn it on for a specific offensive operation in Crimea that Ukraine requested - claiming he wanted to avoid escalation. Him and the US government were in agreement during time. Remember the US did not want to give tanks and planes because of fear of escalation.
I don’t mean to try and put a damper on the 5 minute hate session but I wish people would make an effort to try and understand what is happening before they make all sorts of wild conclusions and statements.
I’m not sure where the line is but expecting a private citizen to provide vital defense infrastructure to your foreign allies and continually act in your best interests is clearly past it.
The issue is removing infrastructure on your own personal whims when it goes against what your own tax payers are paying for, especially when they have funded your company / companies. It’s obscene.
Nah, I’d rather attack the cancer that is capitalism at the source and work to rid the world of its scourge once and for all. Sorry you chose the loser’s side.
Again, I’d rather stay here in the USA and make sure I spend every waking moment working to make sure we take the food out of your bowl specifically to give it to the lesser off and more deserving.
How do you figure he stopped anything? If he wanted to stop a war he should reach out to the Russian leaders he’s claiming to have talked to and get them to leave Ukraine. Instead he believes their bluffs goes back for more.
He saw a nuclear war coming and he used his space satellite techno-prowess to stop it. We can only be grateful he was there to head it off, or you wouldn’t even be able to type stupid things on the internet anymore
So, he’s the final arbiter of nuclear war? Not you know, someone in the military, not someone who actually knows anything about war. A single private citizen who just happens to have a ton of money and power. Uh huh.
Exactly, you can’t have your cake and eat it - if we want to live in a sane and moral world we shouldn’t let private citizens own things that are important, especially not satellite infrastructure
Is he? Did the US Government issue an order to attack Russian assets? Even Russian assets on Ukrainian soil? Even to support any Ukrainian effort to attack Russian assets?
So far it’s been a “we give Ukraine some stuff and intel, and let them do the fighting while keeping a semblance of plausible deniability”.
Sounds more like a direct involvement in the attack, would’ve been undermining the US Government.
Stop trying to tell a private citizen and businessman what he can and can’t do with his own business
When you have a contract with the federal government it comes with stipulations. Don’t “private citizen” this. It’s not a mom and pop store.
But Starlink DIDN’T have a contract with the US government, DOD, or Ukraine government. That’s the point. And they went ahead and used it for guided munitions.
Which is a violation of the terms of service and not what anyone at SpaceX had intended.
Problem is, that’s exactly how they ended up being used!
You’re tracking that Starlink sells service directly to the US military for activities that aren’t exactly tickle parties right?
True, but didn’t Starshield happen after this stuff? I guess I need to relook at the timeline. But as I remember things, he started tossing starlink access at Ukraine, tried to get DoD to pay, they chose not to. Then he started to these games, and after that DoD started paying up. Starshield was announced a little bit after that.
Where do you draw the line? Should he also be allowed to sell his services to Russia? Should private companies from the US be allowed to sell arms to Russia?
Never mind that. Let’s suppose he can sell his services to whomever he likes.
What about the privacy implications? How did he know that specific attack was planned? Can he just listen in on any communication going across Starlink? I don’t think anyone should be okay with that.
Ukraine asked him to extend Starlink coverage for the attack.
No conspiracy theory needed, they just told him.
Since he runs Starlink, he has a map of where every single Starlink receiver is located. Literally, a real time map with GPS coordinates.
Russia would kill to have that info.
However, musk also hack and jam proofed Starlink to help Ukraine too.
There’s currently sanctions on buying or selling a lot of things from Russia aren’t there?
The whole reason this happened is because he disabled Starlink satellites over Russia in order to help the Ukrainian war effort. He just refused to turn it on for a specific offensive operation in Crimea that Ukraine requested - claiming he wanted to avoid escalation. Him and the US government were in agreement during time. Remember the US did not want to give tanks and planes because of fear of escalation.
I don’t mean to try and put a damper on the 5 minute hate session but I wish people would make an effort to try and understand what is happening before they make all sorts of wild conclusions and statements.
I’m not sure where the line is but expecting a private citizen to provide vital defense infrastructure to your foreign allies and continually act in your best interests is clearly past it.
The issue is removing infrastructure on your own personal whims when it goes against what your own tax payers are paying for, especially when they have funded your company / companies. It’s obscene.
Except it wasn’t “removed”, he declined to “extend” it before getting paid by those tax payers.
Of course. That’s called capitalism and the free market. Don’t like it? Move to Venezuela
Nah, I’d rather attack the cancer that is capitalism at the source and work to rid the world of its scourge once and for all. Sorry you chose the loser’s side.
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Again, I’d rather stay here in the USA and make sure I spend every waking moment working to make sure we take the food out of your bowl specifically to give it to the lesser off and more deserving.
Die mad, irrelevant dinosaur.
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Musk, is that you? You already have a platform, go back there.
Ha that would be so funny if Musk bought Lemmy and made it part of his cool X app which does everything
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How do you figure he stopped anything? If he wanted to stop a war he should reach out to the Russian leaders he’s claiming to have talked to and get them to leave Ukraine. Instead he believes their bluffs goes back for more.
There’s no way this person isn’t either a troll or paid PR by Musk
He saw a nuclear war coming and he used his space satellite techno-prowess to stop it. We can only be grateful he was there to head it off, or you wouldn’t even be able to type stupid things on the internet anymore
So, he’s the final arbiter of nuclear war? Not you know, someone in the military, not someone who actually knows anything about war. A single private citizen who just happens to have a ton of money and power. Uh huh.
Well if Castro got what he wanted, he would have launched nukes in the 60s. But russia didnt give him the codes
He has more money because he knows the most about everything. Nobody in the military is as successful as Elon
Why? I think capitalism’s a toxic system and he has no moral right to his wealth.
Exactly, you can’t have your cake and eat it - if we want to live in a sane and moral world we shouldn’t let private citizens own things that are important, especially not satellite infrastructure
“Citizen” is the critical word here
“Ukraine” telling a “US citizen” what to do, are the critical words here.
Hes a US Citizen undermining the US Government
Is he? Did the US Government issue an order to attack Russian assets? Even Russian assets on Ukrainian soil? Even to support any Ukrainian effort to attack Russian assets?
So far it’s been a “we give Ukraine some stuff and intel, and let them do the fighting while keeping a semblance of plausible deniability”.
Sounds more like a direct involvement in the attack, would’ve been undermining the US Government.