The outcome was predicted by plenty users in this community, but now the news are noticing it.
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I’d disagree but it does depend on your instance and how you curate the content you want to view.
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Such is the beauty of the fediverse, block/mute/filter freely and openly. I’d block and filter more if I weren’t an admin. Curating your content is the purpose of the fediverse, you make the algorithm.
It’s more that since Lemmy is smaller, the smaller subs show up on all.
Sadly a lot of the good content will be lost, regardless of migration or encouraging users to take it off the site. Eventually someone in Reddit Inc. will have the “bright” idea to wipe everything out, to reduce spendings on data storage.
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In the short term it goes as you say, they’re selling API access to the LLM bubble. (And they’re likely selling your data too, against your consent.)
However in the long term the LLM bubble will explode, and users will disengage with the site, causing a downwards spiral. At some point of that spiral they’ll delete the data, after it’s unprofitable. I think.
Reddit hosts hardly any content. It’s a link aggregator.
All the text content, all votes, posts, comments, etc. probably only fill a few TB. The video and image hosting part is a bit later, but arguably not huge either. Given the salaries in the valley, just having a meeting with 10 people about deletion is probably more expensive than storage for the next 5 years.
You know what, you guys are right. Nevermind on that point then.
X gonna give it to ya
It’s still early days. I’ve been enjoying myself more here than I had been there so far. Still holds promise.
I think quality hobby communities like the ones that used to exist on Reddit require both smart people and a larger population to create a sense of social investment. This kind of information used to be distributed across forums with fewer than 1k people each, which isn’t so bad, but does prevent it from propagating easily.
People have to post content, but most users lurk. It’s a chicken/egg scenario.
I think social media is inherently incapable of fostering good content. By nature it is social as in interpersonal drama slanted. That’s not considering shareholder factor yet. Early years reddit was an oddity at the unique intersection between message boards and the social media era. In the beginning they were in the money burning phase. Not concerned with making profit. So maximizing engagement at the cost of content quality wasn’t on the table yet.
Quite frankly old reddits reputation became something larger than life sized. The expertise on reddit was never really that great. There was a lot of bad info but try telling a big headed neckbeard that.
Better content is to be found on the internet outside of social media. Find that person who hosts a site to share their content from a technical basis. The people who will not suffer fools. They want to talk about inner working of their widgets. They don’t care about likes and subscriptions. They don’t have shareholders to answer to.
Lemmy seems to be taking the route in attempt to rapid expansion by stuffing it with low content memes. A flaw is in trying to mimic social media when most people want message boards of yesteryear.
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Don’t know if it’s good content but I really like posting here. 😎
Popular is dominated by posts about relationship drama, freakout videos, and things like amiugly. Rarely do you see any major stories on popular now. Aliens could be invading and destroying half the world and the top posts would probably be about whether someone was the bad one for breaking up with their partner due to not washing the dishes.
This is spot on. But I do find myself back over there more than here even though voyager is immensely better than their mobile site/app. The Sink It for Reddit extension has made it more bearable.
Oh gee, if it isn’t the consequences of Huffman and his board’s actions
Just wait until Greedy Pigboy says something that boils down to “leopards ate my face”. It’ll be fun.
And frankly I’m glad that we’re seeing the consequences of that now, instead of later. Call it pettiness but I want to see the IPO failing hard.
Who would’ve thought getting rid of all the mods that were the SMEs would later become an issue?
None of the forcibly removed mods I spoke with have worked with or plan to work with replacement mods to pass on knowledge gained through years of experience.
Not to mention the people who have removed their previously posted content.
Lol can’t even view your link without the app any more.
It does open on my side, i just can’t scroll lmao
I’m convinced that Reddit is delaying banning anything that will leak more users to Lemmy. For instance, i would be 100% done with Reddit if they banned the Infinity client, but they haven’t. I’m sure I’m not alone too, as there is probably a huge overlap in infinity client uses and those who would move to Lemmy.
Perhaps, but the administration showed already that it doesn’t really know what would piss off users and encourage them to leave, so there’s a good chance that they’ll still do it.
Who else had “people start trying to can already-canned tomatoes” on their Reddit Enshittification Bingo card?
I have seen this exact question so many times in my decade on r/canning before mods could nuke them. It’s kind of astounding how ignorant to food safety some of those posts can be and that was before the great mod purge. I really hope the rest of the community has stepped in to warn others if the mods aren’t doing their job to combat misinformation.
I did not know that this was a dangerous thing to do!
Exactly why it’s so important to have knowledgeable mods that can fight disinformation.
Wouldn’t a sticky do that too?
You think people read those?
There was a reddit mod that went on a ban rampage because someone dared to use the word “female” instead of “woman” and their justification for it was, it could have been from an incel. Fucking hell, shit like that makes me glad I’m not on there anymore.
I’ve seen worse. Have you heard about the chicken sandwich drama?
- user1 calls a chicken sandwich a “chicken sandwich”, in a food subreddit.
- user2 (an assumer unmoderating the sub) assumes that user1 is trying to “public shame” the OP, otherwise user1 would’ve called it a “chicken burger”.
- user1 and user2 start discussing through modmail, while user2 is clearly harassing user1
- the discussion goes public
- people start mocking user2 with the words “chicken sandwich” in all subreddits that user2 unmoderates
Bonus points: user2 also moderates a subreddit known for its propensity to brigade and try to… public shame people based on their cooking opinions.
…I might have been banned from that subreddit about shaming people. I got banned from some small cooking sub like that for “spamming” with like two comments in the whole sub. Turns out one was a reply to the moderator, and I guess they didn’t like that.
Oooh, I couldn’t remember the name but it just hit me. Was it r/iamveryculinary? I don’t recall any brigading but I wasn’t there for long.
Yup, the brigading sub was r/iamveryculinary. The “chicken sandwich drama” was in r/food.
If you don’t remember brigading you probably went to IAVC in its earlier times. Back then the sub just picked on content where users were bossing each other around on food opinions. That was fine, but in Reddit it is not sustainable in the long term.
Eventually the sub got filled with oversensitive and assumptive morons with the reading skills of a potato, always assuming that any food opinion was someone trying to boss them around, and reinforcing each others’ assumptions. Nationalism also became a commonplace there, since the users there were too stupid to not generalise. With the unmoderator in question (TheLadyEve) disingenuously pretending that the admins, in one of their few instances of sanity, were persecuting the subreddit to curb down its brigading tendencies, even if she knew that the only way to prevent the brigades would be to close down the derailed subreddit, but I guess that an assumer like TLE wouldn’t be able to do it.
It reached a point where, if you found some comment being downvoted into oblivion in r/food, r/cooking or r/askculinary, with random insults, you could pretty much guess “this was linked in r/iamveryculinary”.
Oh, wow. Yeah, TheLadyEve was the moderator I replied to, and the one that banned me. Good to have confirmation I did nothing wrong and they were just a terrible mod.
Thanks for the Reddit history tour lol.
As someone who left Reddit shortly after they instituted the API changes and then stopped following the fall out, can someone provide a TL;DR of what happened?
I know that reddit pushed back on the protesting subs by saying “revert to what you were or we’ll do it for you” and then started asking lower ranked mods to scab.
But beyond that, I don’t know if reddit actually reverted the changes, dismissed the mods, or anything else.
can someone provide a TL;DR of what happened
API changes happened. Mods protested against those API changes by privating their subs (blackout). Initially the blackout was expected to last two days, but plenty mods kept going indefinitely, because Reddit refused to undo the changes, and because plenty users were also pissed against Huffman smearing a third party app developer. Then Reddit resurrected the u/ModCodeOfConduct account to threaten the mods to go back, while pretending “I dun unrurrstand, u dun liek to mod than u leave lol” (in other words but in the same spirit). Plenty mods refused, so they were removed as mods. Then the same u/ModCodeOfConduct account started recruiting bozos and vultures to moderate the subs where the mods were kicked out.
TL;DR: of the TL;DR: Reddit didn’t revert changes. Mods were kicked out. Dumbarses in their place.
That last step is…crazy.
So, in theory, I could have made a brand new account, say I will scab, and turn the sub into a burning dumpster fire.
I mean, if we really wanted to tank reddit, we should have been done on it purpose.
Yup. And the karma restriction seems extremely low (probably because no sane person would still be willing to mod Reddit?). It’s that sort of thing that you get in a single day, by simply answering stupid r/AskReddit questions with equally stupid jokes.
Changes not reverted. Many mods dismissed. Many subs forcefully taken over, with very young accounts appointed to lead them.
Granted, I haven’t been back in many weeks now, but that was the state of affairs last time I was paying close attention.
This is a cool article and all but there is no reason, to me, to believe in a mechanism that would make those new mods somehow worse on average than the old mods. Mods order was just seniority mixed with interpersonal drama with whoever was there before them, up to the guy who happened to be there in 2009.
Moderation was a sad fiefdom that was never good, these few in the article maybe just happened to have been good ones
Mod order is still just seniority mixed with interpersonal drama, in a fiefdom structure. That doesn’t change, even if the “senior” in question was recruited 5min ago.
What does change however is: emotional attachment to the platform, the subreddit, and the topic; personal and inherited (from older mods) experience; willingness to moderate a small community and make it grow.
It’s also worth noting that a lot of those powermods who are eager to create interpersonal drama and abuse seniority are still there. The APIcalypse only gave them more room for expansion. Cue to Bardfinn defending Spez and trying to gaslight users with “ackshyually, spez defeated a fusker scheme”.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The dangers of food canning were explained to me clearly, succinctly, and with cited sources by Brad Barclay and someone going by Dromio05 on Reddit (who asked to withhold their real name for privacy reasons).
He noted various canning misconceptions, from thinking the contents of a concave lid are safe to eat to believing you don’t need to apply heat to food in jars.
For example, Barclay pointed to one mod recommending “citizen science,” saying they would use a temperature data logger to “begin conducting experiments to determine what new canning products are safe.”
It includes already-canned tomatoes, which experts like the National Center for Home Food Preservation (NCHFP) recommend against, as there’s no safe tested process for this.
What’s critical for Reddit’s content quality is not that moderators adopt identical philosophies but that they are equipped to facilitate healthy and safe discussions and debates that benefit the community.
But the hastiness with which these specific replacement mods were ushered in, and the disposal of respected, long-time moderators, raises questions about whether Reddit prioritized reopening subreddits to get things back to normal instead of finding the best people for the volunteer jobs.
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You tried, bot-kun. You tried.
Certainly summarized the parts that I can remember…
