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Somehow this is the only country on earth where this seems to happen. When talking about shootings involving guns, okay, fine, the US is certainly an outlier there, but every country has cars and police.
This is murder.
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So some neckbeard republicans are going to come out and say “She should have just complied”, but honestly what is the absolute worst scinerio if she WAS shop-lifting? In what world is it not a better option to just get her FUCKING CAR’S license-plate number, track her to her house, then arrest her there when she’s clearly cornered? Or just boot her car when it’s found again and force her to come to you to get it off?
Because now you’ve killed a woman and her unborn baby over some God damn groceries.
The headline “Pregnant lady caught shoplifting groceries; arrested” would already be telling of a society that has gone far over the edge.
In this timeline, the edge is so far gone that it’s faded into myth.
I thought it was alcohol?
If this is a jurisdiction that says embryos are people then that cop executed a completely innocent person.
That would require logical consistency. I would never accuse a republican of such a thing.
Same exact neck beard republican removed is removed about the injustice of arresting the good boys for Jan 6th.
What I want to do is make a satirical video game about complying perfectly with a police officer’s requests, and show just how hard it is.
Throw in mixups where the player might be confronted by armed criminals, just to make sure players instill themselves with a sense of self-preservation.
What I want to do is make a satirical video game about complying perfectly with a police officer’s requests, and show just how hard it is.
I agree that she shouldn’t have been shot.
In what world is it not a better option to just get her FUCKING CAR’S license-plate number,
She was driving a car without license plates, which is unusual.
Young got into a four-door Lexus sedan that did not have a license plate and was illegally parked in a handicapped spot, Belford said.
Okay but at that point shoot the tyres??
The argument will be that she was trying to use her car as a deadly weapon because she accelerated into an officer standing in front of the car.
Which falls apart when you watch the cops body cam footage and see that never even happened
Unsurprisingly you have downvotes too.
I mean, she should have just complied, I don’t understand why she thought refusing and driving the car into a wall would have had a better result… That being said the cop is absolutely in the wrong, even before the situation escalated he was pointing his gun straight towards the women’s face, which is unacceptable.
She should have complied for sure, but non-compliance shouldn’t mean execution by firing squad.
Sorry, I’m just gonna repeat that for the folks in the back…
NONCOMPLIANCE SHOULDN’T MEAN EXECUTION BY FIRING SQUAD
I pretty sure she drove her car into a wall because she was bleeding to death. I don’t think that was really a decision.
Probably thought they were going to kill her anyway, since cops be doing that on the regular.
she should have just complied,
I’m surprised there isn’t an automod bot to filter out cliche comments exactly like this
The hell is wrong with this country. Shoplifting is not violent crime. If they flee put out an arrest warrant and they’ll turn up later, in a lot more trouble.
Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone who attempts to escape. It’s totally unnecessary pointless murder.
It’s totally unnecessary pointless murder.
It’s an execution. Someone accused of a crime doesn’t get a trial or a chance to defend themselves. Someone with a gun makes a decision to end their life on the spot.
Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone who attempts to escape.
Not to mention, standing in front of a car driven by a POC who has every reason to expect the cops to shoot them anyway. That person is already frightened and likely panicked and not thinking clearly. Putting yourself in front of a car with a panicked driver who is justifiably in fear for their life is incredibly stupid.
Also, what is with cops just repeating the same command over and over again and refusing to otherwise interact with the person. Are they trying to make the situation worse? Why not try and de-escalate the situation. Oh, that’s right, they want a reason to shoot people.
Are they trying to make the situation worse?
Yes, because it lets them use lethal force like the jack booted thugs they want to be.
Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone
This “technique” has been demonstrated enough that frankly, I think that any rational person would conclude that in any situation where a cop walks in front of your car, you’re better off just gunning it before the cop has a chance to extrajudicially execute you first. If they walk in front of your car, it’s clear they’re just itching to murder you. The threat has been made, you should fear for your life. It’s you or them.
That’s not unreasonable. Maybe under Montana common law argument would work.
That’s what happens when your cops aren’t trained in de-escalation.
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Also keep in mind, businesses usually have insurance against theft.
To anyone saying she tried to run over the officer, please watch the body cam footage. She is turning the wheel as much as possible to steer the vehicle away from the officer. On top of that, she pulled forward very slowly. If you were trying to run someone over, you would not give them every opportunity to avoid being hit by the vehicle.
Stop licking boots
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Getting shot over shoplifting is insane.
The usa is fucked beyond saving
I’m fine with enacting a quarantine across the entire united states and allowing those who want to leave to leave
No. They’ve had their chances. None can leave without rigorous testing first. We don’t want to end up with another America just in a different location.
and allowing those who want to leave to leave
I hope you fare better than other refugees who turn to come here by boat.
BUILD THE WALL
/s?
American fascists continue to prove their belief that property damage isn’t an acceptable response to murder, but murder is an acceptable response to property damage.
Couldn’t have said it any better
The social contract is breaking.
I do not understand why it is so common for police in this country to stand in front of a car and then shoot the driver when the car moves. It’s a manufactured danger and really does not seem like a smart idea to use your weapon to put a corpse in control of a heavy machine.
What’s not to understand? Their goal is the expression of power, the suspect’s escape is completely non optional to them. They are not trained in de-escalation.
So, by placing their body on the line (in the path of the giant metal machine), they are essentially saying “obey me, or you are willing to kill me if you try to escape”. So if you try to escape, you are willing to kill them. So if you are willing to kill them, they are free to defend themselves.
It is crazy, but consistent logic.
Remember they aren’t there to help, or protect, but to enforce.
They stand in front so that they can shoot the driver.
You can’t play chicken with someone and then shoot them if you get scared. You have to either swerve or get hit, that’s why it’s called chicken.
They don’t care as long as they get to murder someone.
You do understand why. What you said is exactly why. They are manufacturing a danger so that they are legally allowed to use lethal force against anyone for any small crime. All the police do in the USA is escalate, escalate, escalate
Because they can, and bootlickers will make excuses for them
How should this have been handles instead? If she really really doesn’t want to comply, You write down her license place, and you let her go.
That simple.
You have her face on video, you have the license plate, it’s trivial to then go visit her at her home and have a talk. Hell, follow her if you have to, but not in a high speed chase. Just keep your distance, let her go where she wants to go until she’s done.
Worst case scenario, you just let her go.
This extreme focus on that every petty little thing MUST be stopped, every small time offender MUST comply only ends in this. Suffering.
Instead focus on fixing poverty and you know, making sure that pregnant women have all they need so that they don’t need to steal? That is why we banned abortion, no? Because we care about babies?
Oh yeah that’s right. We care about unborn fetuses, but born babies can get fucked.
Let this woman have an abortion if she can’t afford a baby. Now she doesn’t need to shoplift, at least not for the baby
Lift people out of poverty. Push people to be better educated. THOSE are things that will actually lower crime rates but then it means they ml o longer are the common pulp that can stand on
She “disrespected” the cop by trying to resist therefore she must be destroyed because every fucking cop has a ego problem. Had to “set an example”.
It’s also a massive waste of money and resources that could be used to fight actual, real crime.
I’m guessing the time and ammo it took to kill her amounts to more dollars lost than she could ever shoplift for. Did the store get their money back? No? Then what the fuck was the point? Who was actually helped that day?
The point of having police is to make society livable. This seems to be the opposite of that.
But that’s dangerous… Real criminals might fight back. Some
copsdelicate flowers might get hurt.I consider cops being “removed from duty” a net benefit to society so…
Worth noting that the car didn’t have plates according to the Police.
Hardly the Police job to solve poverty?
This 21 Year old has a 6 and 3 year old sons. I’ll let you do the math on that. But it adds up to before some states had bans.
Regardless. They should not have drawn their guns since she didn’t pose any immediate threat.
Regardless. Fact of the matter is that the situation only escalated after the police drew their weapons.
Regardless, her trying to run one of the cops down is only going to end 1 way.
This 21 Year old has a 6 and 3 year old sons. I’ll let you do the math on that. But it adds up to before some states had bans.
First of all, red states made it next to impossible to get abortions even when it was legal. Also, they cost money. Contrary to apparent popular belief, George Soros or the DNC don’t just appear to fund every abortion. Or, sometimes people are Catholic, which is fucking stupid, but maybe there’s some family shit you don’t know about. Especially for a minor trying to get an abortion. Again, contrary to popular belief, they weren’t just being handed out for free on every corner to every 16 year old who wanted one. There were still a million obstacles long before the Dobbs decision.
Second, “I’ll let you do the math” is a judgey, self-righteous, and gross statement.
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Abortions are available in ohio. That is what matters here, since the argument being responded to was, “let her have an abortion”.
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It’s indeed not the job for the police to solve poverty and I’m sure this woman has her problems.
None of that excuses what happened. They should never have pulled their guns. That police officer should not have been standing in front of the car. The woman tried to run away, nit murder a cop. The officer was standing in the most dangerous nokace he could, I’m arguing that that was in purpose. “I’ll stand where if you make a move you might kill me, giving me reason to shoot you”
Even that car not having license plates excuses anything. Then follow her, distantly. She’ll stop somewhere, pick her up there.
Hell, even letting her go is preferable to this outcome. It doesn’t matter that his woman had kids since she was 15, it’s irrelevant. It doesn’t matter that she is poor, uneducated, it’s all irrelevant.
The point is that police in the US is horribly educated, and has a terrible culture. They need to be educated for years, not 6 months. They need to get a culture of “we are to protect and serve” instead of “we are Rambo Cowboy”. They need to learn to calm and deescalate every situation they arrive in, not always make shit worse
I already said that they shouldn’t have drawn weapons didn’t I?
Your story about how they should follow her from a distant and stop her once she gets out is just fantasy. That’s also not where the fault lies.
Her trying to run one over is vehicular assault at best. Yes. The police stood there on purpose. To make sure she didn’t take off. That’s fine. Dare I say common procedure in multiple countries, not just the US.
Pretty sure it’s been stated everywhere that their education and work culture is a big problem. I agree. The police conduct that lead up to the shooting was poor. I agree.
The moment she tries to run one over. It was only going to end 1 way.
I’m agreeing with you in my first comment so I’m not sure what you’re trying to argue.
Your story about how they should follow her from a distant and stop her once she gets out is just fantasy.
It’s reality in countries with police officers who had an actual education and training though. Let the “criminals” go for now, pick them up later. In this case, it would have saved two lives.
Yes, when it’s deemed that approaching the criminal in public poses an imminent danger to the public.
Or if they have reason to believe that the Alleged shoplifting is organized, They might hold of to later follow them home and conduct a search of the home for evidence of more stolen items.
Are suggesting she’s either a danger to the public or part of organized shoplifting?
Or when approaching a SUSPECT (she wasn’t convicted of anything) causes danger to the suspect itself, for example.
Let’s say that she is mentally ill, just to make the point. Are we going to do the same? Stand in front of the car, she gets a panic attack and just drives without thinking because of me tal illness. Are we going to shoot her too?
Oh wait, that is what is happening all the time in the USA where innocent civilians with mental illnesses are murdered by police because police in the US isn’t trained to do their job right. This is actual realiti there.
Again, had these police officers been trained properly, she (and her unborn baby) would still be alive today.
This is not on her, this is on US police. Again.
The police should not have drawn weapons.
She should not try to run them over. Not sure why that’s a controversial take for you.
Regardless, her trying to run one of the cops down is only going to end 1 way.
Exactly. I get the hate on police, and frankly they did initiate the situation here and should have handled things better, but ultimately if you intentionally drive a vehicle into someone responding with a gun is warranted.
The thing is she didn’t floor it. Didnt even pull away quickly. He could have stepped out of the way… he in fact did, right after he pulled the trigger and shot her. He literally stood in front of the car, pulled his gun and basically said “move the car and you die”. He put himself in harms way, pulled his gun and escalated the situation.
This will in all likelihood be deemed a justified shooting by the police and court, but with a little compassion from the officer it could have ended without this lady being dead. Bet he doesn’t even care.
Yeah I was thinking the same, she moved very cautiously forwards, he then basically climbed onto the hood and shot her. She was being so careful he had the perfect shot lined up.
This will in all likelihood be deemed a justified shooting by the police and court,
Almost certainly - but I would still say this is more or less rightly so. Maybe they can successfully argue that she wasn’t trying to kill him, she was trying to drive around him, based on evidence from the video. Normally a court would give the benefit of the doubt to the victim of having a car driven towards them, but if that doubt can be proven with video then that’s another matter.
but with a little compassion from the officer it could have ended without this lady being dead. Bet he doesn’t even care.
He definitely wanted to shoot from the start. He initiated that whole situation to give himself justification to draw, he created the opportunity to kill her. A lack of compassion is an understatement.
From what I could see, the gun was out first. Most people go their whole lives without having a gun pointed at them. How you will respond is very unpredictable. Panic sets in - it doesn’t seem real. Cops are (or at least should be) trained on how to handle life or death situations- ordinary people are not.
The gun was drawn when she started turning the wheel to drive around the officer stood in front. You can hear it coming out of its holster, and you don’t see it before then.
However, I’m not condoning the officer’s behaviour here. They created the situation, they should have known better, both reasonably and from their training. What they did was essentially a form of entrapment.
All I’m saying is that she made a mistake herself also by driving the car towards him, and, regardless of whether it’s a police officer or a regular human being, responding with a gun is most likely going to be justified.
So what your saying is the gun was drawn after she showed signs of non-violent escape?
Anything else is apologetics.
The phrase “the police should have handled it better but…” should just be outlawed. I guess it does let everyone know to never have a conversation with whoever says it though, so I guess there’s that.
What’s with users like yourself behaving like assholes to other users all the time recently? Personal insults are lame.
Where is the insult? I just see you calling someone an asshole…
I didn’t call them an asshole, I said they were behaving like one. I assume they’re perfectly capable of not acting that way and are just taking an opportunity where they feel they can get away with it.
The insult was in implying that what I say has no value simply because I’m pointing out the police aren’t the only ones who did things wrong here; rather than engaging and arguing ideas they made an ad hominem attack. Saying that in reply to me but directed at everyone else is incredibly rude.
She tried to run over a cop. You are out of your mind.
Die she now?
The video seems to suggest she tried to get away, not commit a homicide. Police could have easily let her go. They have a license place, they have a face, they can go pick her up any time later.
This was a SUSPECTED shoplifting. The problem here is that in the USA police have no idea about de-escalation. They always seem to make every situation they get in to worse.
Police needs to arrive into a situation and make it calmer, better. To protect and serve remember? You can’t protect anyone if you just get in waving guns every single time.
This is about shoplifters. You stop them. They don’t let you? Then don’t start shooting, there are other solutions. I recall a few years ago there was a similar situation where US police officers tried shooting a suspected shop lifter in a parking lot ending up shooting and killing a little girl standing being the suspect.
Actions like these are madness and show that police officers in the USA are wholly unprepared to do their jobs. This is not surprising if you realize they received a fraction of the education that police officers get in (for example) Europe. There they do teach de-escalation and it works, people don’t get shot for stealing a bread.
Oh im sorry did the police not wait out for the right time for an arrest? That is so rude. Yeah better let the future officer do it that is the best solution. How bout she get out of the fucking car? she could have done something even more stupid and harm someone else if they let her go.
Yeah, that kind of mind set is what the typical US police officer seems to have. And it gets people killed over and over for petty offences, if any.
This woman gets scared, she becomes unpredictable. “Well then, let’s stand in front of the car so that she can’t leave without trying to run me over! That is a great reason for me to murder her!”
Or you can just let her go. It’s the same reason why in other countries you typically don’t see the high speed chases that you see on the US. You start chasing somebody, they start taking risks that put everyone at risk. You just let them go and catch them later when things have calmed down.
It’s the same reason behind why do many mentally ill people are murdered by police officers in the US because they don’t know how to deescalate.
This in turn is all a consequence of the lack of training that US police officers have. They barely train with their gun and that is most of the Training they get.
I still blame the lady.
In a mellow tone: “You are beeing accused of shoplifting”. “ok cya”. Hits the pedal…
i guess we can settle on having better training is always better.
Remind me to shoot you in the knees next time you speed 5kmh…
This is about appropriate force. If you can’t deescalate a situation then you have no business carrying a badge and a gun.
shooting someone over speeding? what is wrong with you?
Even if she was a shoplifter, killing her is not an appropriate response. But we don’t know if she was a shoplifter, do we? We only know a store employee said she was, is that employee infallible?
No matter if she was an angel incarnate i fully expect to get shot at when i pull this sort of nonsense in presence of police and i dont even live in a country where anybody can be armed to the brim. I wish more people would think this way too.
On the other hand, there are plenty of examples where the police show lack of training, which is an issue, but this isnt one of them.
oh no that cars coming towards me at 3mph better shoot her and the unborn baby instead of just moving to the side
I mean, could he not just have taken the license plate number then sent agents to go knock on her door later? This is shoplifting, not armed robbery.
could he not just have taken the license plate number then sent agents to go knock on her door later?
No. She was driving a car without license plates, which is unusual.
Young got into a four-door Lexus sedan that did not have a license plate and was illegally parked in a handicapped spot, Belford said.
However, I do not believe that fact justifies shooting her.
Driving a car without plates is extremely common in this area. It has been ever since they suspended registration requirements during Covid. I see multiple cars without plates every time I go for a drive.
That’s not how plates are obtained. It has nothing to do with it. When buying a car from a dealership new, they submit all the paperwork, and your plates are sent to you within a month. If it’s used, it should already have a plate, but you can still get one from the DMV through online services in almost every state.
Not having a plate is usually someone avoiding tolls or red light cameras or some other petty crime thing. And to play devils advocate, I suppose it could have been stolen, too.
This area doesn’t have tolls or red light cameras.
Dealers don’t submit paperwork for you to get plates unless you pay extra for the service. Otherwise you get a 45 day temporary tag.
If you buy used in a private sale, then you get nothing. You have to go buy plates. There is no transfer of plates between private parties in Ohio when doing a private sale.
I didn’t know that there was any place in the United States that did not require license plates. There were/are a lot of people asking why the cops didn’t just get the number off her license plates and arrest her later. The simplest answer to that is that the car didn’t have plates on it, but I don’t think that fact played any role in the decisions made by the involved parties. Though, I could be wrong about that.
Was there any evidence that the car didn’t have plates
I don’t think the plates would have been in the video frame at any point if they had been on the car. I don’t know if there are any pictures of the scene or not.
I wonder if the cop will be prosecuted for providing an unlawful abortion.
That’s fucking horrible.
First off, I wish they would show the full uncut raw footage. People need to see the reality of getting shot.
Second, he literally just pulls the gun out and says “get out of the car.” Like, what the fuck man? Get out of the car or I’m going to shoot you? For stealing from a fucking kroger? One of the biggest businesses in the US?
Dude. This is bullshit. He needs criminal charges.
Just the fact she has to shoplift probably also means she has very little money or is struggling to get buy on her sallery. She’s getting a baby soon and is maybe trying to save up because the US has no proper help to offer. Being shot and murdered by the police for a relatively harmles crime is beyond crazy for a society to accept. The policeman should be arrested for murder and abuse of power and Final put behind bars
She was falsely accused of shoplifting. She didn’t actually do it.
True point. The whole scenario is written in such a bad way in the article its completely glossed over, and even I missed that fact. It just makes the whole mess even worse. It could have been anyone that got shot here just for being scared by threatening police officers who are escalating the situation
Just the fact she has to shoplift probably also means she has very little money or is struggling to get buy on her sallery.
As much as I don’t think this woman should’ve been shot, shoplifting isn’t usually done by people who “need/have” to and it’s also usually items that aren’t necessities. Ask anyone who works at an Ulta or makeup section of a department store. In fact, I watched a lady run out of an Ulta into a car that sped off who, according to employees, stole a bunch of perfume and they told me and my girlfriend they were likely going to resell the perfume online.
Sure, sell it to be able to afford some meager amount of groceries for her and her baby. Meanwhile the fat cat cop, who probably ate a breakfast before work, is out there looking for some breakfastless person to shoot to justify the need for him to keep his job.
We’ll frame it however we want.
I think the cop should absolutely be
firedprosecuted, but I don’t think police shootings are to “justify the need” for police officers to keep their jobs.That doesn’t even make sense: police officers involved in shootings are likely to be investigated by IA, which is compounded stress ontop of a job that probably already sucks, who’s possibly even pushed out of the force by IA, and if the shooting an officer was involved in was in fact justified (not this one) you’re left with an officer who’s unfit mentally and will likely feel some guilt for the rest of their lives.
In the world you think we live in, encouraging police shootings because it “justifies” a need for police leaves you with a bunch of underperforming and mentally unstable bunch of police officers and a forever staggering rate of total police officers and their presence in neighborhoods where they’re actually needed; as people will resign and no new officers will replace them.
that’s a lie they resell because they need the money to survive
But then they bought more perfumes with that money. Since it was a significant amount, they got a discount but then sold those perfumes for MRP. They kept doing this over and over and before you know it Bob’s your uncle and they started a chain of perfume shops globally. Now they are the fatcat CEOs of Global Perfumes Inc. and spend considerable resources per annum to make sure people don’t shoplift from their stores.
Hey we can’t all just partner with nazis like Coco Chanel to launch our brands.
The car the lady was driven off in was like decent looking ~2020 model car. Maybe it happens the way you say it does, I don’t know. I’d like to see data that shows if either how you what you say is true or not, but generally when I’ve personally witnessed shoplifting it’s not done by people who seem like they’re truly struggling.
The reasons for shop lifting are many, but it usually boils down to needing money because their daily job isn’t enough to get by and live a happy life. Or they can’t get a job at all for one reason or another. Desperate people do desperate things.
My brother in law spends it all on meth and my sister fills in with theft where she can.
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Years ago I had a .45 with a suppressor priced out to take out BIL.
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With my luck my niece and nephew would be the ones that got shot. The poor dog, too, obvs.
As the fetus is now legally a person and did nothing wrong the officer who fired the shots should be arrested for homicide.
If it’s not obvious those rules are in place to punish women. Not to protect. They will never ever be applied in a protective way. That’s not what they were made for.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ending_Qualified_Immunity_Act
If you want this to stop, force your representatives to finally vote this into law.
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You don’t even need to shoot them, just get a couple dozen of ya boys and arm up and open carry.
Black Panthers did it and cops stopped patrolling their neighborhoods, which is what the BP wanted.
Republicans got so fucking scared, Reagan, their fucking NeoLiberal Gawd, passed gun control laws!
Seriously tho, we need more open 2A leftists
Is there a carry focused community here on lemmy?
I had found !jbrc@lemmy.world when Lemmy kicked off during the API scandal, but it seems to never have really caught on.
How do you think this approach will end, genius?
We need some real brave mothsfuckers for that… But it is something I want to see too… some real push back against the bullies… I can’t understand how it hasn’t started yet
As someone who lived in Dallas at the time, shooting back does effect change. It’s anecdotal but encounters with police really seemed to be less confrontational following this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers
force your representatives to finally vote this into law.
Lol. We’d have to vote for new reps. And as soon as we do, the ruling class just spends more money on campaigns to make sure we don’t get any power.
not very pro life if you ask me
Not a peep from the anti-choicers on this.
That’s because they’re mostly racist bootlickers and see no problem here.
OMG, I saw this story on FB, AND every fucking comment was praising the cop! Telling her she deserved it for trying to run away… things like she would have been a terrible mom anyways… just some awful things while the run their hard ons for the cops… It was sickening… I am 23 weeks pregnant with my second son right now and watching people praise her death because she stole something is so bizarre and jarring… I’m pregnant… What if this was a misunderstanding and he had bad information… she didn’t steal a thing and scared of cops tried to get away and now she is dead… Cops are fuckiing scary but not as much as people who want this outcome for stealing some groceries
Edit: some of these comments defending the cop, who put his life in danger on his own so he could have the excuse to kill her, is chilling… You are the reason I made my comment and the reason why I am getting scared of my community… because too many of the people in society want to see someone from some group they hate, hurt or dead by police… Fucking sickening. Shoplifting is not an excuse to use lethal force to stop anyone… the punishment doesn’t fit the crime… people saying it does, are rabid dogs who wish it was them in the cops shoes, feeling powerful… and that’s even more sickening. She left behind a 6 year old because thd pig couldnt have figured out another way to handle the situation… he failed a basic IQ test and too many people are like… “Kay, cool”. Idiocracy was and is a fucking a documentary and y’all just want a gladiator type entertainment with your own people
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Well that’s a shity outlook when the cop was trying stage a suicide to have a reason to fire his gun… again he put him self there by choice, he could have chose to move aside and track her… but he chose a method that he could abuse for the reason to fire his gun and punish her for testing his authority… Is sad you can’t see or understand that… or that you are okay with being shot… But during the protests, when people would zoom their cars in to.the crowds to get away from the people, was totally justified… the irony is insane…
His job is to stop and detain that person. It’s not really a choice.
I don’t know how you can remotely justify driving off when asked to get out of the vehicle. It’s an insane position.
She escalated from simple shoplifting to assault…if we want to talk about suicides…that’s a way to do it I guess.
If his job is to stop and detain, he failed his job.
I disagree.
I hope you get to have an interaction with a cop that shatters your sheltered views, as i did. Of course that you live to tell others as well.
I shrug…I had a cop draw on me. I followed directions and I’m still alive. I didn’t burn down the city because I did something stupid.
I had a cop draw on me.
I’d like to hear more about this.
Got out of a car during a traffic stop to smoke a cigarette. The cop drew, I almost peed myself, I listened to instructions, the end.
Gosh man that must’ve been scary as hell. Glad everything worked out. Did he just draw? Did he point it at you? Did you ignore his order to stay in the car in the first place?
i swear this isn’t an attempt to correlate your story with the story we’re commenting on, but in you’re story specifically do you think that drawing his weapon in your case was justified?
The full story is, I was drunk, my DD was getting a speeding ticket. It was a long ass drive home, so I got out to smoke after she takes all the initial paperwork and goes back to the car.
We are pretty clearly not a threat. Me, wife 2 kids. I’m pretty hammered and it seemed like a good idea.
I know better than to get out during a traffic stop.
But the cop got back out of her car, immediately drew and screamed at me to get back in the car. I did so and ate a speech about how dumb I was.
Do I think the cop was justified in drawing? Absolutely. We are on the side of the highway, in the dark, and the cop didn’t have backup. I fully accept that I fucked up when I got out of the car. You just don’t do that during a routine stop without asking permission first.
Let’s say at that point, instead of getting back in, I turn on the cop and advance on her and have some attitude about her yelling and pointing the gun…at that point she’d be justified in shooting me.
TLDR…I fucked up, the cop did the right thing in that situation, and while scary as hell, the cop was in the right the whole time. My
Yeah wtf, she should have left a thin blue streak on the asphalt
