• JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.sdf.org
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    Okay but like what happens in Beijing when you say you’re not satisfied? Also, weren’t there large scale protests there not to long back?

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      1. Nothing

      2. USA propaganda

      3. USA conditions are so shitty for black people and other minorities that cities were being burned

      4. French conditions for minorities are so shitty that there are protests there every day and many cities are on fire

      Conclusion: Socialism >>>> (Capitalism = shit)

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        Are we still pretending that China is a socialist country? Their social safety net is much worse than the US, which is regarding among the worst of OECD countries. I guess they still have a red and yellow flag so must be socialist utopia right?

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          China’s retirement age is 60 and it is governed by a proletariat party.

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            China’s President sent his own daughter to Harvard and China has wide income inequality, as well as the greatest proportion of millionaires and billionaires in the world. The wealthy in China go on day trips to Paris to literally eat cake.

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              Fuckin tankies man, hurts my brain.

              Living in the US sucks

              Living in China sucks (unless you’re on their soil, then it’s great!(please don’t take my organs))

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                Well, it may come as a shock to them, but having wealth in China improves your life considerably more than in the US. Unless of course, you challenge the Chairman.

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                  Response to both 1 and 2:

                  because socialism isn’t defined by how many people in a country have a certain level of wealth. socialism is the transitional period between capitalism and communism, where the proletariat hold state power and build the conditions necessary for communism. before you can have communism you need to have the productive forces in place to make that economically possible. China chose the route of allowing capitalist investment to help develop its productive forces, while maintaining state power and overall control of the economy in the hands of the Communist Party. they decided that it was better for the country to become wealthy unevenly at first, rather than to keep socialising poverty

                  https://dengxiaopingworks.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/building-a-socialism-with-a-specifically-chinese-character/

                  What is socialism and what is Marxism? We were not quite clear about this in the past. Marxism attaches utmost importance to developing the productive forces. We have said that socialism is the primary stage of communism and that at the advanced stage the principle of from each according to his ability and to each according to his needs will be applied. This calls for highly developed productive forces and an overwhelming abundance of material wealth. Therefore, the fundamental task for the socialist stage is to develop the productive forces. The superiority of the socialist system is demonstrated, in the final analysis, by faster and greater development of those forces than under the capitalist system. As they develop, the people’s material and cultural life will constantly improve. One of our shortcomings after the founding of the People’s Republic was that we didn’t pay enough attention to developing the productive forces. Socialism means eliminating poverty. Pauperism is not socialism, still less communism

                  as it happens there did arise a great degree of wealth disparity, which the state has begun to tackle since Xi’s leadership took over

                  and that’s something they’ll need to iron out over time

                  but the existence of billionaires isn’t a reflection of the class character of the state

                  you might find this article a worthwhile read https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/

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        Dude they’re fucking state capitalists, not socialists. Also, cities were not being burned but way to parrot right wing talking points. In fact you could easily be a right winger hoping to drum up support. Hell, if you support China you already support anti-lgbt legislation so you probably are just some dumb fuck who thought he knew anything about the left.

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    It’s so interesting that in a country where removed about the government will land you in prison, people don’t publicly removed about the government

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    It’s almost like people won’t publicly criticize the government when the government imprisons and kills people who publicly criticize it and their families.

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    Huh, is that why the people of Hong Kong seemed so happy in that last bout of protests? You know, when over 1 million people took to the streets, protested and set the city on fire? Also, and just out of interest, is your government still using “prisoner’s of conscience” as an organ donor pool or have they finally shut down their concentration camps?

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        Don’t try to equate a bill that allows someone to make a choice to decrease prison time, with a concentration camp where they harvest organs and hair, and “reeducate” people to believe China #1. One is dumb, the other is evil.

        I get worried sometimes about my country’s (Australia) invasive online privacy laws. China doesn’t allow proper internet access, and if you think you have nothing to worry about, just Baidu-search “Tiananmen Square 1989” or “why did the Dalai Lama leave Taiwan”. I’m sure you’ll be fine…

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    “How’s life in China ?”

    “We can’t complain.”

    "Really, that’s great. "

    “No, we seriously can’t !”

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      Freedom coming to China real soon, just like: Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Libya, Uganda, Niger, Iraq again, Syria, Libya again…

      edit: again…

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          Yeah, it’s quite unlikely, we’re both making too much money off each other.
          It all depends on Taiwan and the SCS regional partners now.

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            I mean even discarding that. Hypothetically, let’s say the US and China declare war on each other. Neither country would be able to invade the other. I mean, the US is good at force projection, but how in the world would any nation conduct an amphibious invasion of a country like China and manage supply lines across the Pacific sufficient to support an invasion force?

            It just… it doesn’t make coherent sense.

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              The US could definitely do that, their logistics capabilities are immense. On top of that you have the submarine fleet, as well as assistance from regional allies. Probably not enough to take the entire country, but enough for it to capitulate through conventional means.

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                I mean we could land an army and send them support, just not enough to execute a conquest of China. Home field advantage is a major thing, you know