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      Actually I don’t think this was even a theory. This was the original intent but the studio thought it was too complex for the GA to understand.

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      The Animatrix shows that the robots keep humans alive likely because they like us, and feel bad about what happened. They want us to keep living, as their creators and “parents”, but understand that if we were free to be all awake and understand reality we’d try to destroy the world again.

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      I thought that was the original draft plot but studio execs thought the audience wouldn’t be able to understand what that meant.

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      Humans are terrible batteries/fuel cells. And Orpheus said the machines had fusion power. It makes far more sense that the machines were using humans for computing, not basic metabolism. It’s been mentioned that this was the Wachowskis’ original intention but the suits made them dumb it down for audiences to understand but I haven’t found any direct quotes about that.

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    In the Rock, Sean Connery’s character is James Bond. It works well with the Bond timeline, and Connery plays the character exactly as he did Bond. It’s fun to see Bond as a secondary character and what it would be like if he was captured.

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    Two in the Star Wars universe. Jar jar was a sith, I love this one and wish they could make it canon. The other is palpatine used padme’s life force to keep Vader alive, I really wish they could’ve explained this better in the movies. And if they went this route, while dark, it is much better for the series in the long run because it really would be a pure evil moment for palpatine.

    I also super love the Aladdin is post apocalyptic setting theory.

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      I have gone super deep in the Darth Jar Jar rabbit hole before and I am convinced this was likely the original intent of the character. I believe he was written to be a character similar to The Mule from the Foundation series.

      Foundation Spoilers

      The mule was a literal clown that only ever did silly comic-relief things during most of his time in the books. However, it is revealed near the end that he is actually a character that has been manipulating events the whole time and poses an existential threat to the galaxy.

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        Perfect analogy with the mule.

        Stumbles his way into being a background character; an annoyance to the main actors and the plot. Then turns out to be the puppet master all along. I love this fan theory mostly because it is the only way to make Jar Jar a retroactively tolerable character.

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      The other one for Padme dying is that she was basically going through withdrawal.

      Anakin was "so strong in the Force* that he essentially, without realizing, force-pursuaded her into loving him, and between him nearly killing her and then nearly dying, thebforce influence vanished, and she lost the will to live.

      Interesting theory, not sure how I feel about it.

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        It’s an interesting story, but in video of him planning TPM, he very clearly intended Jar Jar as a comic relief character for younger audiences.

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        That is the “official” explanation. George Lucas has mentioned more than once he wanted the films to “rhyme” and it has been noticed several times that Jar-Jar acts as Yoda did in the original trilogy, when he met Luke; someone even went so far to analyse his movements and theorized is clumsiness is akin to the Drunken Master Kung Fu style.

        Jar-Jar binks was a spoiled opportunity. It would have been a good opportunity to go against the public opinion and have the character morph into the real nemesis and catch everyone by surprise.

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      Jar jar was a sith, I love this one and wish they could make it canon

      Best I can do is a Lego game where Jar Jar appears and a little Imperial March plays (can’t remember which one but I remember it made me smirk). And, while trying to search for it I found this:

      LEGO Skywalker Saga’s surprisingly great Rise of Skywalker story mode gives a quick-yet-effective nod to this prominent fan theory. In the story mode’s opening cutscene, Kylo Ren follows the mysterious voice of Emperor Palpatine to the secret world of the Sith, Exegol. As he descends into the temple, he begins to walk through a hallway filled with cloning vats that hold the bodies of several clones of Supreme Leader Snoke at varying stages of completion. However, the last vat contains Jar Jar Binks, who excitedly waves to Kylo Ren. Jar Jar’s presence on Exegol would seem to indicate that his role in Palpatine’s rise to power may have been more deliberate than it initially seemed in the films, and that Binks may have intentionally been working in the shadows to put the Sith into power.

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        There’s a snip of Imperial March sounding music in Jar Jar’s actual themesong, at the 38 second mark.

        To me, this is some of the strongest supporting evidence there is - you can’t just write off two measures of an entire coordinated symphony as a continuity error; and SW is HUGE on the concept of leit motif. For example, young Anakin’s themesong also has little snippets of Imperial March - they do that as a way of foreshadowing.

        100% sold on the jar jar theory. It sounds so stupid, but there’s sooo much supporting evidence.

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          WOW, fucking excellent spot!

          I write music for a living, mostly club music, a few years ago I had the idea that I’d learn to compose for video games and bought a very expensive textbook written by one of the industry bigwigs. TL;DR I probably won’t be composing for video games because while I’m good at writing music, melodies etc, I lack a lot of the skills needed to write orchestral music. But what I did learn, is how complex, time consuming and expensive scoring / orchestral work is… in terms of getting a written score ‘into a game’ or film.

          So there is no way that’s an accident. That’s deliberate, it’s a very quick switch to a different melody that doesn’t repeat. It’s not note-for-note the Imperial March, but it definitely features the drums, and it’s close enough. This imo is one of the most convincing pieces of evidences I’ve heard of so far, the others are a bit “Yeah I can see it but there could be another explanation”.

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            Yea the musical evidence kinda blew my mind. I never studied music, but I saw a ‘music of Star Wars’ performance by the Virginia symphony - between each song, the composer basically gave a lecture on the themes that went into it and the concept of leitmotif. The Jar Jar song was one of the ones they played, and that little snip stood out like sore thumb, but I also hadn’t heard the Darth Jar Jar theory yet, so didn’t really think into it.

            Fast forward a couple years, I stumble across the theory. The music wasn’t in the original theory (might be in more recent iterations?), but the lightbulb fired off and I had myself a HOLY SHIT!! moment.

            Even without the music, it’s a solid theory, but you could pick any part of it and dismiss it as just a coincidence, continuity error, animation error etc. The music shows intent in a way none of the other examples can.

            Rewatching the prequels with the Jarth Jar Jar theory in the back of my head makes such a huge improvement to his character; replace all the unbelievable dumb luck with calculated malice disguised by a facade of stupidity… and I mean, look at RL politics - malicious people play the village-act ALL THE TIME cuz it works like a charm by discouraging people from holding them accountable – Darth Jar Jar is a believable character!

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      Oh not a fan of the JarJar one but the life force one is really intriguing. Would’ve been nice to show more hints of that in media such as Rebels, Kenobi, or the comics. Vader slowly forming doubt would also help with his decision to betray him in Jedi.

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    Among “The Big Lebowski” fans there are some that suggest that Donnie isn’t real.
    In the whole movie, Walter’s is the only person that directly speaks to him. The Dude almost always ignores him or talks to him in a generic/patronizing way.
    The theory says that Donnie was probably one of Walter’s war buddies in Vietnam and died and what we see in the movie is just Walter’s hallucination caused by PTSD. The Dude just plays along to not upset Walter.

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        That’s a big question mark. Some people theorized Walter showed up at the mortuary and took the ashes of someone with no family, like a homeless person or something, claiming they were Donnie’s.
        It a stretch but also plausible, since Donnie’s name isn’t mentioned in the scene of the funeral house and no one else but Walter and The Dude showed up.

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      Don’t Donnie and The Dude have a direct conversation at least once though?

      “Phone’s ringing, Dude!” "Thank you, Donnie!’

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      Donnie was probably one of Walter’s war buddies in Vietnam and died

      Probably face down in the mud…

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    I like the theories that the SpongeBob characters are nuclear mutants and represent the seven deadly sins.

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    Hans from Frozen was turned evil by the rock trolls.

    In the song Fixer Upper, they say ‘Get the fiance out of the way and the whole thing will be fixed.’ Shortly after, we see Hans be evil for the first time in the film.

    In addition, at the beginning of the film, the grand troll notes that it’s lucky the magic hit her head and not her heart, because the head can be persuaded. So we have motivation, capability, and a stated intent.

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      this is intriguing. I’m dying on the hill that Hans never started out evil, there’s literally no indication at all in the first half of the movie and some of his actions prove the opposite. Plus the motive always felt insufficient (why would he go for the younger Princess and not elsa if his intention was to take the throne)

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        Exactly! He even saves Elsa, who was the blocker to an easy marriage with Anna. Then right after the trolls, he leaves Anna to freeze to death.

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    Deep Space 9: The Prophets are future Bajorans that evolved beyond space & time, which is why they refer to themselves as “of Bajor” and have such a high interest in the fate of its people. The Pah-wraiths are just future evolved asshole Bajorans like Kai Winn & Jaro Essa.

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      What about the theory that all of DS9 and therefore Star Trek are all in citizen Sisko’s mind just as a hopeful future.

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        Allegedly, Ira Behr wanted to end the series by making it all a fever dream by Benny Hill but Berman wouldn’t let him.

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    For me, it’s the theory that in the original Spider-Man trilogy, Aunt May knows about Peter’s secret identity.

    I don’t know whether the theory has been confirmed or dismissed, but there are quite a few rather obvious hints:

    • one scene in the second movie when Spider-Man rescues Aunt May from Doc Ock and he says to her: “We sure showed him.” She replies “What do you mean we?” and looks somewhat suspicious and moves her head slightly in an over the shoulder shot, indicating that she may be pondering about Spider-Man’s identity after possibly recognizing her nephew’s voice. Before that, she was hanging from a building and Spider-Man screams to her to hang on, after which she gives him another uneasy, suspecting look.
    • Aunt May’s motivational speech later in the same movie in which she states in a very implicative tone that kids like Henry need a figure like Spider-Man to look up to, suggesting that Peter has to continue being the hero he’s meant to be. The way she looks at Peter during her speech further indicates that she’s subtly encouraging him to keep being Spider-Man. He’s about to give up because of all the misfortune he’s been having, but she emphasizes her words yet again when she says to “hold on a second longer”; on a rewatch, I noticed that’s also when Peter looks up to her as if he realizes that she’s speaking directly to him and knows of his struggles. For me, that sentence is the one that convinced me: Peter, the hero, taught Aunt May to hold on when she was at the verge of falling to her death, and now she’s repeating his exact words to him.

    I like that it’s not definitively mentioned in the movies, because it makes for a really interesting debate. I can totally see it being a complete coincidence and that she only cares about Peter and encourages him to be a good person – a hero, as she puts it –, which doesn’t have anything to do with being a superhero. So in the end, whether Peter is Spider-Man or not doesn’t matter to her. And that in effect means that whether or not she knows shouldn’t matter to us.

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      That would actually be comic accurate, too (to some degree). At one point, Aunt May reveals on her deathbed that she secretly knew Peter was Spider-Man for a long time, and wanted him to know that she was proud of him before she died.

      They retconned this, of course, bringing Aunt May back to life with no memory of Peter’s identity. Then eventually did more stories about Aunt May learning Peter’s identity, dying, then coming back to life… man, keeping up with comic book lore sucks.

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      Yeah I definitely agree with this one (but there’s definitely arguments both ways so nice for interpretation). I really enjoyed how May was basically Peter Parker’s (wo)man in the chair in ITSV.

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    I just re-watched Signs yesterday after what could be over a decade ago. This time I went in with the perspective of the very popular fan-theory that the aliens were demons the entire time. It really enhanced the movie for me and helped me appreciate the Reverend’s story more. The main theme of the movie should be on his story of believing again after the passing of her wife. The illogical actions of what’s considered very advanced aliens detracted from that and the overall movie suffered from this criticism. The theory of them being demons helped to alleviate and even enhance the movie for me and I enjoyed it far more upon re-watch.

    Just to be clear , I’m fairly sure Shyamalan’s intention wasn’t for them to be demons as there are a lot of inconsistencies for that to be true. But if you can look past those issues, the movie becomes far more enjoyable with its theme of faith.

    Fan theory for reference

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      I created a personal fan theory that we never saw the actual aliens in the movie.

      What we saw were biological constructs created by the aliens. It makes all of their weaknesses make more sense.

      The creatures are vulnerable to water, on a planet full of water. It makes sense if this was an intentional part of the design. The creatures were created for short term missions. If they were captured or killed by the primitive locals, their bodies would degrade and leave nothing useful behind.

      Same reason they have no advanced technology. Nothing for the locals to get their hands on and reverse engineer.

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    In Friends:

    Monica is on coke. That’s how she got thin and why she cleans so obsessively.

    Also:

    Phoebe is homeless, saw the others in the group in through the window of central perk one day, and the entire series is all in her head.