• appel@lemmy.ml
    584·
    10 months ago

    Whenever someone calls something “socialist”, ask them to explain socialism to you and watch their argument fold like a wet blanket. They usually have no idea. In fact, many would love a healthy dose of Northern European socialism in their lives, as long as you call it “Owningthelibism” or something.

    This is why we can’t have nice things.

    • Tetsuo@jlai.lu
      25·
      10 months ago

      I had multiple times experiences like that with American redditors.

      They would say that socialism is nazism because National Socialism.

      So yeah, didn’t know really what to answer to such level of ignorance.

      • Notorious_handholder@lemmy.world
        51·
        10 months ago

        I’ve always countered that with the following :

        Yes, Nazi’s, the very trustworthy group that would not lie about calling themselves socialists for propoganda and popularity reasons (post ww1 German public had popular sentiment with socialist ideas). The same ones that went out of their way to then kill Jews, communists, socialists, and other individuals that believed in socialistic ideals.

        I’m also sure that the democratic peoples republic of Korea has very fair and free democratic elections!

        If they continue arguing about it after that then I know they’re a lost cause

          • Milk@lemmy.sdf.org
            17·
            10 months ago

            Concentration of power with those “social services”, making people pay higher taxes many times for unfair reasons. Socialism has all the power on the State with no or little room for individuals themselves to make their businesses and companies, companies that’ll thrive will be friends with the king and create a monopoly in that country. Putting everything in the hands of the State is a recipe of disaster.

            • christiansocialist [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
              8·
              10 months ago

              Socialism has all the power on the State with no or little room for individuals themselves to make their businesses and companies, companies that’ll thrive will be friends with the king and create a monopoly in that country.

              China has tons of small and big businesses and it’s still socialist.

            • PreachHard@mander.xyz
              5·
              10 months ago

              When you say “no room to make business.” That’s where I think the fundamental disagreement is rooted. Socialism is inherently built on the idea that what you are building in a capitalist system is exploiting labour. The people you bring in should have ownership of the company too in a socialist system, not the state. What you’re describing is a communist dictatorship. State programs should be run by the state just as they are in most countries now. You certainly don’t want companies running your government.

            • masquenox@lemmy.ml
              5·
              10 months ago

              Putting everything in the hands of the State is a recipe of disaster.

              Tell me you don’t understand what the word socialism means without telling me you don’t understand what the word socialism means.

    • XEAL@lemm.ee
      11·
      10 months ago

      Bless the cold war brainwash with loads if patriotism on USA citizens. It seems to still be working.

    • TimeSquirrel@kbin.social
      9·
      10 months ago

      There are “socialists” running around who don’t know what socialism is. Hint: it has nothing to do with government-subsidized services.

      • InputZero@lemmy.ml
        1·
        10 months ago

        Yeah but they’re still linked. Like, yeah socialism has nothing to do with welfare programmes. However in the real world where a government is involved government welfare programmes are the most obvious tools that the government uses to enact socialism. Talking about one leads into talking about the other. Unless we’re talking anarchy.

        Attica! Attica!

  • Cyrus Draegur@lemm.eeEnglish
    253·
    10 months ago

    i love all kinds of socialist shit:

    socialized medicine

    socialized housing

    socialized transportation

    you know what kinda’ socialism SUCKS though? Socialized risk, where corporations get to distribute their burdens but hoard all their profits.

    THAT kind of socialism needs to fucking die.

  • JustAManOnAToilet@lemmy.world
    20·
    10 months ago

    But that engine is somewhat socialist. It evenly distributes fluids throughout, each component having the same amount of influence on whether or not the engine as a whole can function. One stops working and the others all stop in solidarity.

    • droans@lemmy.world
      91·
      10 months ago

      It’s not. The four cylinders make up 5% of the engine but get 95% of the fuel.

      And what usually causes engine failure? The cylinders. And who do we bail out each time? Those same goddamn cylinders.

  • Milk@lemmy.sdf.org
    521·
    10 months ago

    I guess that book would be written by someone who calls everyone who they disagree with a “right-wing extremist”.

      • Milk@lemmy.sdf.org
        317·
        10 months ago

        No, they’re all violently discussing things, terribly defending your rights of saying your mind and defending more of those horrible things like stable families, no concentration of power and you having the control of your money instead of giving it all to the government in taxes. Meanwhile leftists are peacefully burning stuff, lovely degrading others’ properties and making those magical explicit parades in public. No, only lefties are good. Right bad.

        • SootySootySoot [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
          5·
          10 months ago

          I already have the right to say my mind and it doesn’t help my living situation at all, meanwhile right-wingers thankfully utilise their right to call for my death, the concentration of power is all in businesses which right-wingers consistently protect, and wtf does it mean to defend stable families?

          Undoing all the tax, benefits, and public services I’ve ever had wouldn’t get me out of poverty. Undoing the business and the non-worker class price gouging and manipulating of me and my family, and instead having a better incentive than profit, absolutely would.