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    If “Vote for Educated Leaders” is truly a controversial statement, then we’re all fucked.

    Your leaders absolutely should be educated, not even necessarily in politics, but Bob next door who’s only got two neurons in his head fighting for third place shouldn’t be leading any country

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    I mean if he chose to communicate his preference, that’s a problem. But “Vote for educated leaders” shouldn’t be exactly controversial. If you’re angry, is it because you know the ppl that you voted for are uneducated?

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      Well that is where societies get to. Being educated or uneducated becomes equivalent to a political stance. There are plenty of examples of educators getting murdered by governments, sometimes en masse.

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        Pol Pot took it a step further and murdered anyone who wore glasses, because wearing glasses was seen as being educated.

        Authoritarians of every type hate the educated, because the educated often hate authoritarianism.

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        What’s more concerning is when a society is populated by people who have take the most facile understanding of a position, and then go about confidently as if they understand it. Like, say, if a news article has a rage porn headline and then people don’t read it to understand what actually was going on but make comments on websites as if there was no nuance to the subject whatsoever. … Very concerning.

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        The CCP didn’t massacre a bunch of uneducated citizens in Tiananmen Square.

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      He said, “Next time vote for someone who is well-educated so you don’t have to go through this again.” I agree with him, and moreover I think teachers should be allowed to express themselves because everything is political. But I can’t in good conscience argue that this was a politically-neutral statement. In particular, the words “Next time” are saying very plainly that he doesn’t think it went well this time. This is a political argument against the current ruling government.

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      I definitely read the headline and thought “please don’t be my state again”

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          Funny thing: in early years of Russian Federation “red state” meant southern pro-communism pro-education/healthcare/pension/science funding state.

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        Around 40% of Indian politicians are only educated up to school (stat might have changed), and the ruling party is quite dystopian in silencing narratives that go against it.

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          Sorry, but what does “up to school” mean? (I am American, and many of our education groups are schools.) Is that school prior to college, ending near age 18, or something else?

          Edit: thank you, I now understand

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          I would guess that most republicans politicians are actually pretty highly educated. Trump even went to ivy league schools. They value it, just not for their voters.

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            Not really. They use Ivy League schools more for making connections with other wealthy people and getting jobs through those connections than actually learning anything.

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        Majority of users on lemmy are probably americans by now and they assume everything is about their country.

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    Quirk of a polarized political system thanks to FPTP-voting. Sooner or later even the lamest, most basic stuff suddenly turns political and “controversial” while billionaires laugh all the way to the bank. It’s by design and what happens when groups of individuals are allowed to hoard obscene wealth and use it to rule the masses.

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      I mean - I dislike financial inequality as much as the next person, but attributing the failing education system and polarization to “billionaires” will get us nowhere.

      The vast majority of politicians, educators, propagandists and just insecure people are not billionaires. Don’t take away their responsibility, they are not mindless babies.

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        Except that the money flowing to the top 1% are the result of politics. The tax cuts which funnel money out of the public coffers and into billionaires’ pockets also require cuts to services, like education. Polarization is what’s required to motivate voters to continue to vote against their own interests. They’re very much connected.

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          The question then is why the 1% have such influence. Why is lobbying even legal when politicians are supposed to represent the people. Why are politicians allowed to trade stocks with inside information on policy. Why do we allow money to corrupt democracy.

          Other countries have the problems of first past the post (and I’m it’s biggest critic) but I don’t think politics is as polarising like a team sport as in the USA, and monetary incentives like lobbying are illegal in most countries

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            I agree. In general, lobbying is a much bigger issue than the “billionaires”. Lobbying exists at all levels. You can have a dinner with a local politician for a very affordable fee ($3-5K), and meet the former or the future president (maybe even the current) for $200-300K. Lobbying is everywhere, it’s not limited to billionaires.

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            Being in 1% by income makes one barely a millionaire. Most likely not even that if they live in an expensive city and have a family.

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          Everything is connected if you look deep enough. People who drive rolling coal cars and hate “the libs” are responsible for their action. Choosing an ideology, watching propaganda, immersing oneself in hate are all actions. Sure, billionaires are having an outsized impact on the world. That’s power. In general - power does corrupt. We, the people, have to take responsibility for our actions, not expect billionaires to stop growing and exercising their influence. It’s easy to blame “the billionaires” for making someone a shitty person.

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            Except the billionaires are the ones lobbying for cuts to education, buying up all the housing, lobbying against increasing minimum wage keeping people desperate, buying up all the media and turning it into propaganda, are responsible for dumping chemicals that impact growth and development in our water system, etc. Etc. Every failing in our society has billionaires behind it. Yes people are responsible for their actions, but just like you would blame Kim Jong Un for the beliefs of one of his brainwashed citizens rather than blame them, you should also be blaming billionaires and oil execs for people ‘rolling coal to piss off the libs’. They’ve been just as thoroughly brainwashed and propagandised, and just as intentionally.

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              No, I wouldn’t solely blame Kim Jong Un if a soldier from NK kills a member of my family. The ultimate goal of a totalitarian regime is to convince people that they are powerless, that they need a leader to guide them. This takes away all agency and responsibility (where it matters).

              Don’t fall into the same trap. Everyone is an individual, everyone can and should learn. Everyone is ultimately responsible for their life (excluding situations where people are physically constrained by an abuser).

              Blaming the “billionaires” is a fruitless endeavor. Do you think if we get rid of billionaires we will automatically live in a just society? There will always be people with more power, billionaires or not.

              Worldwide, I am in the 1%. You are most likely too. For a lower class family in Pakistan you are a billionaire.

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                  The highest data point referenced in the article you link to is Monaco with $12.4M. Not sure where you are getting the $30M number.

                  Anyway, as I said, globally you and I most likely are in the 1%. Not in the US, a very wealthy country.

                  Edit: here is an interesting data point for you: Kenya is listed last on that graph with just $20K. Do you know how wealthy Kenya is overall? It’s at the 59th place globally. Out of 173 countries.

                  So yes, you and the majority of people posturing in these comments are the 1% globally. Enjoy this realization, fellow onepercenter.

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    It feels like we’ve been devolving as a species for the last 20 years or so, I’m pretty tired of living in interesting times.

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    Stop voting for fascists just because they blame all your problems on marginalized people, already.

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    That’s a real shame but it says a lot about the motivations of politicians and the fear they have of education. If I ran my own school, I’d be reaching out to him to hire him.

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    I’d love to see those who disagree with his statement answer the question “when is a good time to not vote for educated leaders?” that applies more than 0.01% of the time.

    Even religious people shouldn’t disagree with it. If you want someone with religious background in then you want them to be educated in matters to do with that religion. That they themselves don’t consider that education is telling.

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    Yea, I agree with his statement but it was implied who he was talking about and when you add his social media posts showing a bias to a specific political party it was a no brainer and why would ask your students in a class to not vote for a particular political party.