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      I’m okay with skeptical and verifying but he doesn’t challenge all his guests equally. I’m not saying he should be perfect, but there are some really far out ideas that need more questioning before I’m personally satisfied.

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        he is a removed, literally lied about how he heard they are putting cat litter into classes so that kids eho identify as cats have somewhere to go, then when called out on it that it’s bullshit he just said it’s a joke or something.

        the real reason litter was being put into classes was so that if a school shooting happens kids have somewhere to go and it doesn’t go everywhere

        it’s covered in Some more News’ Moral panic video

        https://youtu.be/oAeKAJFrb0w

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          the real reason litter was being put into classes was so that if a school shooting happens kids have somewhere to go and it doesn’t go everywhere

          Do Americans not realize how fucked up their country sounds to the rest of us when they do this kind of shit instead of controlling you-know-what?

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            We absolutely do. Our country has been captured and held hostage by a small minority of selfish morons.

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              Gun control is tricky; studies that I’ve seen show that a large majority want “dune kind of gun control” but any discussion of what that entails starts to get less popular in a hurry.

              I’ve found that many otherwise reasonable people get upset really quickly when the subject even gets brought up.

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                Gun control is ineffective. The real issue plaguing the US is poverty and mental health. Just look to some of the areas with the most strict gun control laws, they’re also the areas with the highest gun violence statistics in the country. Chicago, New York, LA to name a few.

                One of the reasons places like schools are targeted so often is because it’s a known soft target. Gun free zones are known to have less resistance to the scumbags and cowards that are doing these heinous acts. If they knew that every adult could potentially fight back and give as good as they get, I would expect there would be far fewer mass shootings. These people are cowards praying upon those who cannot resist, and even the threat of potential return fire is enough to deter most.

                I’m not saying that we should force every teacher to become certified and carry, but it should be up to them whether they choose to fight for their students, and if they do they should have the same or better tools than the bad guys.

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                  This. This is exactly what OP was talking about when they said we look crazy to the rest of the world.

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                  LA probably has more laws about fishing from piers than Phoenix does too. Places with higher gun crime rates combat that with gun laws.

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          With his alt-right views, Joe Rogan has essentially become Rush Limbaugh with a traumatic brain injury.

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            I think you’re giving Limbaugh more credit than he deserves.

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          the real reason litter was being put into classes was so that if a school shooting happens kids have somewhere to go and it doesn’t go everywhere

          I believe that as much as the original claim.

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            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litter_boxes_in_schools_hoax?wprov=sfla1

            The only known official instance of cat litter being placed in school classrooms for potential use by students was in the late 2010s by the Jefferson County Public School District in Colorado, where the 1999 Columbine High School massacre took place. Some teachers were given “go buckets” that contained cat litter to be used as a toilet in an emergency lockdown situation, such as during a school shooting.

            moral panics always have a core of truth in them maybe watch the video it’s really good, adresses the satanist panic etc.

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              Only in America does a bucket need to be marketed as a place to take a shit when toilets aren’t available.

              The stupidity of Americans is comical. Yet there’s pride in the ignorance. Astonishing.

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        I will also say it’s 2023, some things are past even being sceptical about.

        If you bring on a flatearther you aren’t being sceptical, you’re a moron.

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        His show is entertainment first and foremost. That means glorifying stupid bullshit for the entertainment value of it.

        Most hard science is boring. Most fringe theory thinking is dramatic and thrilling.

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          He has some alt-right ideas and opinions too, he just hides it well. I’ve seen the mask slip.

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            Optimizing for truth sometimes creates something entertaining, but only by coincidence. I suppose you can say that the truth is entertaining specifically because it is the truth, but crazy stuff claims to be the truth too. Only someone who already knows the difference is going to appreciate the former more than the latter.

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      I love that though. I want to hear these wack jobs talk. I don’t listen to get smarter, just like I don’t go to McDonalds for a fine cooked meal.

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        And that’s fine, if you understand that these are wack jobs who shouldn’t be taken seriously. Most of Rogan’s listeners definitely don’t

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          Well, that’s just bullshit.

          We’ve been seeing the destructive power of the media legitimizing unsupported ideas. Fox News, Info Wars, and other outlets are what led to things like January 6th. So seeing someone like Rogan, who has a giant fan base and a popular show that gives credence to wildly inaccurate information pisses off a lot of us. I complain about it because it makes me angry, not because doing so makes me feel superior.

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          Yeah if people go to a game show host/sports commentator for their political or scientific worldview that isn’t my problem.

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            It is a problem for most of us who live in the US because those are the type of people who are now getting elected and bringing the country backwards.

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    If you told Joe that Apple own a warehouse full of genetically altered chickens that actually laid iPhones he’d stare at you, slack-jawed and wonder why this hasn’t been reported in the press. Just a fucking clown from his toes to his eyelashes.

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    The apotheosis of what a dumb guy thinks a smart guy sounds like.

    The manifested avatar of a crowd of drunk college kids having an uninformed debate.

    The patron saint of mansplaining.

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      From my knowledge of them (which is sadly non-zero), I think Ben Shapiro fits the first description better.

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        my favorite Shabibo moment was when he had a “debate” with a famous Tory broadcaster in the UK and got dunked on so hard he called him a leftist. chefs-kiss

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          He was promoting a book about how the left is quick to anger and intolerant at the time to boot, but of course his go to insult was to call someone a leftist.

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      Nobody, not even dumb people, think Joe Rogan sounds like a smart guy. They think he sounds like a relatable (dumb) guy who talks to smart guys.

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    The problem with Rogan is that he doesn’t have the knowledge or qualifications to push back against people spewing bullshit on his show, and so he ends up essentially making fringe, pseudo-scientific ideas seem equal to the mainstream expert consensus view.

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      And the outspoken wrong on the show people are oftentimes cool and charismatic, so people trust them.

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      the problem with rogan is that he agrees with the worst people on his show. he doesn’t push back because he doesn’t want to. he peaked on news radio.

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    I stopped listening to his podcasts when I realised he doesn’t know the facts and spews what he believes are facts. I admire him to hold a conversation for as long as he does and keep it somewhat entertaining but beyond that it’s nothing more than pseudo science.

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    That used to be true. He got sucked into the right wing echo chamber real though and he has getting worse as time goes on.

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    Casual racism about Eurasian people on 4chan? It’s more likely than you think.

    Eurasian nomads were quite technically advanced, which is why they spent centuries wrecking Europe.

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      It’s just Horse Archers are very OP and it took the devs a long time to nerf em.

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        Not just horses - everything from the first fiat currency to the first widespread use of hand cannons and rapid communication networks. It’s often forgotten (or never learned) that the Yuan dynasty was a Mongol-led successor state to the Mongol empire.

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      Yeah, that’s what I noticed about the 4chan-related subreddits, too. It’s basically all 4chan has to offer. “haha, we’re racist!” or equivalent.

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      Because that’s what people upvote after all. Rage always gets more engagement.

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        It’s not what “people” upvote, it’s what white people upvote, because they’re racists.

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    Barbarian Khan

    yes the culture that happens to adapt/improve/recruit tech, culture and people from all over the place is the ‘‘barbarian’’

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      I was always under the assumption that ‘barbarian’ was specifically the term Romans used to refer to any non Romans north of the empire?

      Still, funny shitpost.

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        I had thought it was specifically Greeks dunking on Syrian/Arabian because their language sounded like they were just saying, “Bar bar bar.”

        Reading up a little more, it sounds more like it was their description of anyone who is not Greek.