Maybe this should be elementary: no, there are no right-wing vegans. But at least Lifting Vegan Logic has said that he is neither left, or right. Usually I would say it means he is right-wing, so I am wrong?

      • 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyzEnglish
        10·
        11 months ago

        I know a republican vegan. Started as a health thing but adopted more traditional reasons the further into it they got.

        The real question should be is why aren’t more leftists automatically vegan?

          • TheFriendlyDickhead@lemm.eeEnglish
            5·
            11 months ago

            Except that animals take up a lot of space for themselves and their food. And additionally animals give co2 and other harmful games into the air. So big difference between farming plants and farming animals.

              • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
                4·
                11 months ago

                But that’s not really how it works in practice, is it? We don’t limit meat production to what can be produced as a byproduct of ecological management, or scavaged after an animal’s natural death. The material conditions that actually exists are that there is a massive industry that’s exploitative of humans and animals alike, and it’s causing tons of needless cruelty and wanton ecological damage in order to provide people with meat.

                Even if you limited yourself to only eating meat produced in the ways that you described (plenty of people will deploy this argument and then make no attempt to actually live up to the standards they put forth, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt), would it not be better to sell the meat produced this way, so that some other carnist will eat that rather than meat produced from a factory farm?

                This is an idealist argument. Just because you can engineer some hypothetical situation where eating meat doesn’t cause harm doesn’t mean that that hypothetical is relevant to the vast majority of cases that actually exist.

              • TheFriendlyDickhead@lemm.eeEnglish
                1·
                11 months ago

                Those things are in theory true, but they are only possible for a very small amount of people. The amount of food we need can’t be produced with rotating fields. The amount of meat we eat (not need) can’t be got from just killing overpopulation. To get that much meat you have to spificly farm millions of animals, just so you can have a piece of meat.

    • maegul@lemmy.mlEnglish
      2·
      11 months ago

      Yea, leftist carnivores, probably indicate a strain of materialism, consumerism and affectation in their personality/values.

      A right leaning vegan or animal rights person may just be a bit of a misanthrope, which I can relate to.

      • RNAi [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        2·
        9 months ago

        Yes, but right wing people usually have “cognitive dissonance” so they don’t have a coherent logic for their life. And I’m not talking about “knowing you should be vegan but too lazy/self-indulgent to do so”, I’m talking about examples like:

        • “I’m vegan cuz it’s the right thing, and it’s also the right thing for people with inferior genes to live in poverty and work for me”

        But there’s also examples of:

        • “I’m vegan not only cuz I love my golden retriever but also because it’s healthier so I get to live longer and with more energy which is exactly what (((they))) don’t want”

        • “I’m vegan cuz that gets me a personality and it’s an elitist fad so it increases my chances to fuck hot rich people”

      • RNAi [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        3·
        11 months ago

        Cognitive dissonance, or however is called when you never even try to make two ideas bump into each other inside your head yet hold both of them as truths

          • temptest [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
            1·
            11 months ago

            cc @Salmarez@hexbear.net Yeah, like someone else hinted at, they might become a vegetarian or vegan for other reasons, like health reasons or even spirituality or pseudo-sciences. Then they might find other vegans who expose them to the reality of animal cruelty, which compels them to become legitimate vegans motivated by the same ideas as other vegans. So long as they don’t connect the that with understanding how human hierarchies tend to cause egregious and unnecessary human suffering (and add to that the violent reputation of anti-capitalists in the media, which seems like causing direct suffering) then I wouldn’t be that surprised to see anti-leftist vegans.

  • maya [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    4·
    11 months ago

    There are plenty of right wingers who eat a vegan diet, but I would say it’s impossible to be right wing and and support animal liberation. You can’t abolish the exploitation of non-human animals without getting rid of capitalism.

  • temptest [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    2·
    11 months ago

    What is your basis of assuming there are (for any definition of ‘right-wing’) ‘no right-wing vegans’? It seems like a baseless assertion. Adolf Hitler infamously identified as a vegetarian and tried to dissuade others from eating meat due to animal suffering (according to witnesses).[wiki]

    • ‘Right-wing’ is extremely vague and doesn’t imply an attitude towards animal wellbeing or environmental concerns (see: eco-fascism)
    • ‘Right-wing’ doesn’t even imply any (conscious!) attitude towards human suffering. It’s very common for them to legitimately think they’re doing the right thing and reducing suffering in the world, despite obvious counter-evidence (if they sincerely believe the mainstream US narrative that socialism will cause mass starvation and mass murderous government repression and genocide, then opposing it would seem morally better than the status quo). But, even if it did imply they were fine with human suffering, it could be seen by them as deserved (like a vengeance thing, or like anti-parasitism like squashing mosquitoes) as opposed to animal suffering for commercial production.

    Despite all this: people hold inconsistent views and values all the time. This isn’t rare or anything. It’s actually extremely normal. I wouldn’t even call it cognitive dissonance, it’s standard neurological behaviour.

    But at least Lifting Vegan Logic has said that he is neither left, or right. Usually I would say it means he is right-wing, so I am wrong?

    The ideas of ‘left’ and ‘right’ are basically meaningless. They are inherently relative and vaguely defined to the point they can mean anything. Chances are, if they’re being sincere, they don’t consider themselves political and therefore believe that makes them neutral. Most of us would obviously disagree.