You shouldn’t have a job at the age of 14, let alone have one in a bar. I’m not sure who’s worse- the self serving gop or parents that would allow their kids to work in that environment
You have to remember that the people promoting this sort of thing never in a million years think it would affect themselves or their loved ones. They are 100% convinced it will be used to “punish” people, just not themselves.
You see it literally every time republicans implement things like abortion bans, detainment camps, child labor etc. And republicans start crying in the media and say stupid shit like “He’s not hurting the right ones”…
many 14 year olds in the UK are two years away from finishing school.
Nothing wrong at all with them learning to turn up on time, get on with co-workers, budget their wages etc. Stand them in great stead for 2 years later when they are into the real world. 16 year old looking for work after leaving school stands a much better chance if they already have work experience
Weird, because UNICEF seems to disagree. But hey, they don’t work in benefits and taxation, so what would they know about child mental and physical health?
Sure, just as ‘top notch’ as suggesting it’s good for children to make bloated plutocrat corporatists richer off the sweat of their backs rather than enjoy their childhoods because “it never hurt me.”
And, by the way, what exactly do you think will happen to young teenage girls tending bar? Do you think they won’t be sexually harassed by drunk older men, possibly raped?
Or did you forget that this was about allowing young girls to serve alcohol to drunk adults?
Your argument is really “we did it before, so it’s fine”? We did a ton of things before that aren’t ok. Historical usage of a thing doesn’t make it ok.
This is about the U.S. based on the article and you are talking about how school works in a completely different country. In the U.S., middle school is a step between elementary and high school for kids age 12-14 who are too mature for elementary school but not mature enough to be treated with real responsibility yet.
Expecting a child, and they are children, to go out and earn a living at 14 is ridiculous. Especially when it will be a horrible entry-level low-skill miserable job that will just make them unhappy.
“It didn’t do me any harm” is not a reason to do something. And I would say that you have no idea how it harmed your development. People make that claim about getting beaten as kids too.
No child abandonment is illegal. Surrendering your child is legal if done a certain amount of time after birth. Thanks for admitting you know nothing about these laws though.
nothing wrong with having a job at 14. I was working at 9 years old.
Markets and fair stalls at 9-10, paper round from 9 years old, by 14 i was working in cafe’s. Absolutely nothing wrong with children in jobs if they are paid fairly, arent exploited etc.
Work in a capitalist system is predicated on exploiting labour for the purpose of profit enough. You cannot have a capitalist system and have work not be exploitative.
You shouldn’t have a job at the age of 14, let alone have one in a bar. I’m not sure who’s worse- the self serving gop or parents that would allow their kids to work in that environment
You have to remember that the people promoting this sort of thing never in a million years think it would affect themselves or their loved ones. They are 100% convinced it will be used to “punish” people, just not themselves.
You see it literally every time republicans implement things like abortion bans, detainment camps, child labor etc. And republicans start crying in the media and say stupid shit like “He’s not hurting the right ones”…
Look I started working before I was 14 and I turned out perfectly dysfunctional!
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14-year-olds often aren’t even in high school yet. That is too young to be working a real job.
many 14 year olds in the UK are two years away from finishing school.
Nothing wrong at all with them learning to turn up on time, get on with co-workers, budget their wages etc. Stand them in great stead for 2 years later when they are into the real world. 16 year old looking for work after leaving school stands a much better chance if they already have work experience
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Sorry, why should a middle schooler be doing physical labor? This sounds like nightmare capitalism.
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Weird, because UNICEF seems to disagree. But hey, they don’t work in benefits and taxation, so what would they know about child mental and physical health?
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Sure, just as ‘top notch’ as suggesting it’s good for children to make bloated plutocrat corporatists richer off the sweat of their backs rather than enjoy their childhoods because “it never hurt me.”
And, by the way, what exactly do you think will happen to young teenage girls tending bar? Do you think they won’t be sexually harassed by drunk older men, possibly raped?
Or did you forget that this was about allowing young girls to serve alcohol to drunk adults?
A 16yro with a job vs a 14 yro with a job is a HUGE difference. Those 2 years are massive in development. 14 yro’s should not have a real job yet
Sure, if you ignore all of human history it sounds like nightmare capitalism.
Your argument is really “we did it before, so it’s fine”? We did a ton of things before that aren’t ok. Historical usage of a thing doesn’t make it ok.
No. Children working existed before capitalism, you’re grasping straws coming up with that conclusion of what I said.
You mean all of human history when we had things like slavery and women as property? Yeah, we should keep doing that stuff too, right?
No, you’re making up things to be angry at. Children working existed before capitalism.
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This is about the U.S. based on the article and you are talking about how school works in a completely different country. In the U.S., middle school is a step between elementary and high school for kids age 12-14 who are too mature for elementary school but not mature enough to be treated with real responsibility yet.
Expecting a child, and they are children, to go out and earn a living at 14 is ridiculous. Especially when it will be a horrible entry-level low-skill miserable job that will just make them unhappy.
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“It didn’t do me any harm” is not a reason to do something. And I would say that you have no idea how it harmed your development. People make that claim about getting beaten as kids too.
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So working at 13 years old guarantees you will be good with your money? Or not working at 13 years old guarantees you won’t?
Because it would seem to me that teaching children financial literacy would be a better plan than allowing corporations to benefit from child labor.
Well you didn’t learn to spell “bollocks” for starters.
I was abandoned by my parents, didn’t do me any harm. Guess child abandonment should be legal according to your logic.
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No child abandonment is illegal. Surrendering your child is legal if done a certain amount of time after birth. Thanks for admitting you know nothing about these laws though.
So you will now quite happily send your 14 yr old daughter to go stand pulling pints in amongst a group of drunken men?
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Teenagers maybe. 14 yro in middle school? Absolutely not.
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Yes. That’s why I said Maybe
nothing wrong with having a job at 14. I was working at 9 years old.
Markets and fair stalls at 9-10, paper round from 9 years old, by 14 i was working in cafe’s. Absolutely nothing wrong with children in jobs if they are paid fairly, arent exploited etc.
but 100% they should not be serving alcohol.
Work in a capitalist system is predicated on exploiting labour for the purpose of profit enough. You cannot have a capitalist system and have work not be exploitative.
If it wasn’t, they’d make no profit.