• FreeloadingSponger@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    So 3 seconds before the head crowns, you should be able to kill the baby?

    edit: no debate, just downvotes, huh?

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      11 months ago

      An abortion ‘3 seconds before the head crowns’ is called a birth. Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. If you can terminate the pregnancy without killing the fetus, go for it. The fact is, almost every abortion performed in the third trimester is due to the fetus being unviable or the health of the mother.

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        11 months ago

        So you just absolutely refuse to engage in the thought experiment if the result of it proves you wrong.

        If you can terminate the pregnancy without killing the fetus, go for it.

        If you can end the pregnancy without killing the fetus, but you kill the fetus, should that be illegal?

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            11 months ago

            What does “once it’s born” have to do with this conversation? And why are you dodging my question:

            If you can end the pregnancy without killing the fetus, but you kill the fetus, should that be illegal?

            Do you know how loudly dodging this question speaks? You’re basically admitting it.

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              11 months ago

              I think you’re not thinking through the complications of the question. If you had to kill the fetus to save the life of the mother rather than allow it to be born, should that be legal? If the fetus is discovered to have a fatal flaw that will allow it to live only a few days in severe agony if it isn’t put out of its misery immediately, should that be legal?

              Or should we allow all pregnancies that are viable in terms of a successful birth happen that way regardless of circumstance?

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                11 months ago

                So what you’re saying is that it depends? Yeah, I agree. And we both therefore disagree “States Shouldn’t Be Able To Put Any Limits On Abortion”. We also therefore agree it’s fine for the government to have some control over your body.

                What is you think we disagree on, and why?

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                  11 months ago

                  Where did I say I disagreed with that? Are you putting words in my mouth? Otherwise, please quote me.

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        11 months ago

        What if there’s 1mm of the baby’s toe still inside the mother, and she decides to shoot it in the head? Still legal?

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              11 months ago

              We don’t live in hypothetical land. We live in the real world we’re what you are suggesting doesn’t really happen. Where a majority of abortions happen in the first trimester and are not done in a whim. Your hypothetical sounds smart but is mussing on reasons why the sky is green. We can talk all day about what is green but guess what, the sky is blue.

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                11 months ago

                I’ve never killed anyone, and I almost certainly never will. Should we make it law to say I can, just because we’re sure I won’t?

                You’re shitting on the very concept of a thought experiment and of a hypothetical. What you’re doing is like saying “The law should say you should be able to murder whoever you like so long as the sky is green, because the sky is never green”. This is a tactic to avoid addressing the issue. Namely, even if you don’t think something is going to happen, why would you allow it, if it absolutely musn’t?

                They say it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it, but if you absolutely refuse to entertain it for strategic reasons, change the date. A healthy fetus, a few days passed due date, maybe no more than week from labour, could easily be induced, mother decides “Actually nah”, takes a bunch of pills to kill it - you good with that?