Absolutely not. It is important for what it is, but it is not material help. My argument was and continues to remain that China does not materially help Palestine
Uniting resistance groups isn’t “material help?” Humanitarian aid and diplomatic moves towards statehood isn’t “material help?” Support for the PLO isn’t material help?
Where? There is no evidence for this ever happening. You posted an article that says that the Diaper forces (famously reliable source of information) has said that Hamas uses Chinese guns. Chinese made guns, if you didn’t know, are fairly popular among resistance fighters everywhere because they are cheap. So were Soviet made guns back in the day. African warlords have them. China is funding African warlords as well?
Hamas uses weapons produced by the DPRK as well, are you arguing that they are getting black market DPRK weaponry as well? Hamas uses what it can get its hands on, yes, including a mix of first and second hand weaponry.
Did you read the press release? They did not stop the export of rare Earth elements because of their potential use in weaponry. And they didn’t do it because of Israel. Short of directly selling arms to the Diaper Forces, China conducts most types of trade with Isntreal.
China specifically restricts trade of rare Earths useful in making weaponry. Regardless of what the outward statements may be, they know that restricting rare Earths restricts weapons manufacturers.
The largest economy in the world cannot afford to spare political support for Palestine, eh? I guess countries that do support Palestine do not exist? The assertion that China would be blocked from world trade if they were to support Palestine is mind mindbogglingly inaccurate. Look at Qatar, a small country with an American military base on their soil. They are in no way shape or form independent. Their economy is tiny and they survive entirely on imports. And they have been funding Hamas for ages. You telling me if Qatar who’ve got America’s dick so far down their throat could do this, China couldn’t? At this point, even the Russians have done far more for Palestine than China. They significantly re-armed Iran and financed them so they could keep supporting Palestine.
And China is highly likely to be providing intelligence to Iran, donated 100 million to Gaza in humanitarian aid in 2025 alone, and has been doing far more than you believe.
Zilch. They have done nothing material whatsoever. They have not sent aid, in food or clothes. They have not sent weapons. They have not sanctioned Isntreal. They have however, sent their strongest words of condemnation along with thoughts and prayers. History will look back on China as enablers of the Palestinian genocide, as it will most of the world. But hey, they sent a strongly worded letter to the Isntreally embassy in Beijing which still continues to operate housing war criminals inside.
China has sent aid, hundreds of millions. They haven’t sanctioned the entity, but they have restricted sales of weaponry and undermined the US’s ability to support Israel.
This is not the first time China has betrayed other revolutionary causes internationally. They have even done so much as voting against the DPRK to sanction them at the UN. Repeatedly.
There would have been literally no consequences for China for blocking these. They have, in other instances, blocked similar resolutions, with no consequences whatsoever. Even if there were consequences, they wouldn’t be existential or even too detrimental.
China has consistently only ever veto’d at the security council if it is willing to intervene millitarily in order to protect the veto’d outcome. The PRC has veto’d sanctions on the DPRK, and has enforced that veto by increasing trade with the DPRK. The US Empire has never been stopped by a veto, such as when it was determined to stop shipping arms to Haiti, which the US subverted. China vetoing the UNSC declaration on Palestine would mean mobilizing its army to directly prevent the US’s plans for the region.
This is a pattern of behavior, and is not in the spirit of proletarian internationalism. It has been said that this is even a betrayal of proletarian internationalism. As much as 10 percent of the gross national production of the Soviet Union was diverted to the People’s Republic for almost a decade after the Chinese revolution, for free, to help the young project. This is not including countless engineers, doctors and scientists who were also sent over. Where are the Chinese scientists, doctors and advisors in Palestine?
Pretending that your favorite socialist project in the world aligns with your imaginary, perfect version that exists in your mind does nobody any favors. China has achieved a great deal and will achieve a great deal. Proletarian internationalism and the goodwill of communists elsewhere in the third world are not in that list.
I don’t pretend the PRC is a fantasy, perfect version. I also don’t lie about easily verifiable claims, like saying China hasn’t sent aid.
The point is not that China would face no consequences at all if they politically supported Palestine (They do not, by the way. As far as I know, they officially endorse the two state solution :vomit:). The point is that they wouldn’t do even so much as stopping trade with Israel for the very little consequences they would face. They wouldn’t even absorb such a minimal economic impact.
China supports the two-state solution not as a permanent solution, but the first step to the freedom of Palestine by getting Palestine legal recognition as a state.
They are capable of extending themselves and flexing their military when they feel like it. They sent their fleet to threaten Australia as a power play. They conduct military exercises in the South China sea. And they militarily threaten Taiwan province and the American military establishment there. Only when it suits them. I haven’t seen a Chinese fleet near Israel.
China is not threatening other countries, and China isn’t risking war with the west.
Overall, the idea that China is doing “nothing” for Palestine is just ultraleftism. They provide diplomatic support for statehood, send humanitarian aid, medical assistance, support Iran, are undermining imperialism and thus eroding Israel’s support base, and more. You’re acting like they are an active enemy of Palestine, rather than a steady ally that has varied in its levels of support.
They didn’t unite the resistance groups. They united themselves. China hosted them. They have been hosted by a lot of different countries. Mediating an international dispute is something all large countries (and sometimes small countries) take part in. This isn’t special and this isn’t help. Was Singapore helping the DPRK by offering to host Kim for his meeting with Trump, while at the same time participating in sanctions? No.
are you arguing that they are getting black market DPRK weaponry as well?
Yes. Is this surprising to you? I know for a fact that the Type 88 is fairly common anywhere in the world. Not hard to find. You are skirting around uncomfortable truths. There is literally no evidence for China ever providing arms to Palestinian resistance groups. Neither have they sent arms to groups whose trucks guns could accidentally fall off of.
China specifically restricts trade of rare Earths useful in making weaponry.
Rare earth elements have a wide range of uses. They are used in electronics, primarily. The largest market of electronics is consumers, not militaries. There is no question that things that China do may end up benefiting Palestine in a roundabout cursory way. That is not the point of contention here. If tomorrow, Xi kicks a stone down the road, and by some large chain of events that followed eventually ends up turning the trajectory of a Pissreali missile such that it missed a building, this cannot be attributed to the good will of China.
donated 100 million to Gaza in humanitarian aid in 2025 alone, and has been doing far more than you believe
I thought I wouldn’t have to explain this to a self proclaimed communist, but here we are. We are talking about “aid” that China provided through an organization in Jordan. Essentially, this is an organization that pledge to respect Israel’s sovereignty, that is, they do not defy blockades. And most importantly, they do not associate with organizations designated as terrorist organizations by the US, ie, Hamas. This aid package does not involve Palestinian resistance. Helping refugees in Jordan would also count towards this aid. In terms of actual material help that would reach Palestinian resistance, China has contributed nothing. The US for example, has provided 600 million in 2025 for Gaza, again, through organizations such as the UNRWA and USAID that respect Pissrael’s sovereignty. You know for a fact that this token aid means nothing when the US does it. It doesn’t mean anything when China does it either. China also funds the UNRWA by the way, which has the explicit policy of not letting Hamas have any of the humanitarian aid, ever.
Contrast this to Iran or Qatar, both of whom provide actual money to Hamas, both in the hundreds of millions. China’s aid is what we call a token aid.
I also don’t lie about easily verifiable claims, like saying China hasn’t sent aid.
China does not send aid to Hamas. This is a verifiable fact. China doesn’t send money, China doesn’t send weapons. China does engage in humanitarian aid that Pissrael allows, which almost every country on Earth also engages in.
Here they are in 2024 providing humanitarian aid
Funny you should link this because they sent the aid to Egypt which was at the time and still is blockading Gaza against the wishes of Hamas.
China supports the two-state solution not as a permanent solution, but the first step to the freedom of Palestine by getting Palestine legal recognition as a state.
Source? Or is this from your vivid imagination as well?
China has consistently only ever veto’d at the security council if it is willing to intervene millitarily in order to protect the veto’d outcome
They why sanction the DPRK? They are able to and can militarily protect their trade with the DPRK.
The US Empire has never been stopped by a veto
The point of these resolutions were not that the US would trade with the DPRK otherwise. It was that other neutral countries, including China would. China themselves have cut trade with the DPRK because of the sanctions imposed upon the DPRK in part by China themselves. The second link I posted is proof of this. Chinese trade volume went down after the resolution. China abides by the sanctions imposed on the DPRK by the UN security council, of which China is a permanent member.
I have no idea how you think you could spin a blatant attack on a fellow socialist state as something neutral.
China vetoing the UNSC declaration on Palestine would mean mobilizing its army to directly prevent the US’s plans for the region
No it doesn’t. It would mean that the US wouldn’t have the symbolic backing of the UN, that’s all. They seek a vote in the UNSC for legitimacy. They did it in Vietnam, they did it in Korea. Catch up already, we have had 80+ years of the US-led world order already.
Rare earth elements have a wide range of uses. They are used in electronics, primarily.
Incredible cope on your part to try to make it seem like the CPC have no idea that restricting rare Earths restricts western arms. This was easily pointed out by everyone, there’s no chance this wasn’t actively considered.
I thought I wouldn’t have to explain this to a self proclaimed communist, but here we are. We are talking about “aid” that China provided through an organization in Jordan. Essentially, this is an organization that pledge to respect Israel’s sovereignty, that is, they do not defy blockades.
China ensured that the food aid made it to Gaza. I thought you cared about material reality, and not just words? The aid made it to Gaza. You’re jumping through hoops to deny China’s support for Palestine, constantly moving goalposts to justify seeing an ally as an enemy. China’s deep bilateral trade with Iran is one of the most important ways Iran can afford to aid the resistance in the first place.
The CPC mediated the discussions and played an active role
Nobody denies this. This is also not a big deal. Anybody could have mediated. Do you not know how mediation works in international diplomacy? To state that without China, the different factions of Palestinian resistance couldn’t have reconciled is some conspiratorial bullshit - perhaps even an insult to the resistance, in that you think that they were unable to hold a discussion of their own without China’s help. Again, it is probably good that China mediated. But this isn’t aid, which is what is expected of them.
there’s no chance this wasn’t actively considered.
Even if in your vivid imagination this was the so, they still didn’t do it for Palestine. And it probably benefited them more than it hurt the US.
China ensured that the food aid made it to Gaza.
So did the United States. This aid being humanitarian aid for the people of Gaza, and not military or financial aid for the Palestinian resistance. This humanitarian aid was delivered through a Jordanian organization that actively avoids working with the resistance just like the UNRA.
Countries send humanitarian aid to other countries - this is so normal and so common. Do you live under a rock? Even countries that are politically at each other’s throats send humanitarian aid to each other. This does not mean that the countries politically support each other. When done through organizations not involving the local government, such as what China or the US does, it can even serve to undermine the receiver’s authority. The US sends humanitarian aid to the DPRK and Cuba (obviously not through the government). Should the US be praised?
Oh, did I mention that most countries on the planet have sent humanitarian aid to Gaza? The largest one being the United States? Of course, praising the United States or China for said humanitarian aid is detached from the reality that this genocide was committed at the behest of the United States, and was enabled by China, and most other countries that sent aid - A fact you seem so hell bent on admitting.
I bet my ass that you were also defending Nicolas Maduro as he blocked (and rightly so) American humanitarian aid at the Colombian border last year. It is not that you do not understand the nature of humanitarian aid, you just so desperately want to see your precious China support your precious Palestine, and you’ll let a few important details slide in your quest to delude yourself into thinking that the PRC cares. They of course, don’t, at least no more than the EU, which sent 400 million in humanitarian aid in 2025, the US, which sent 600 million in 2025, and practically every country in the world that is a UN member through UNRWA. All of this so called aid, of course, while it may temporarily relieve the suffering of the Palestinian people, does not answer the Palestinian question, strengthen their position, or help the resistance. If anything, this aid might just undermine resistance, as UNRWA constantly does with not allowing Hamas to handle the distribution of aid. Except for Qatar, Iran and the axis of resistance, nobody has helped Palestinian resistance.
You’re jumping through hoops to deny China’s support for Palestine
Token* support for Palestine.
constantly moving goalposts to justify seeing an ally as an enemy
Nobody said China was an enemy to Palestine. I only ever said China enables the genocide, just like most other countries. They certainly don’t commit it. If one were to be lenient, one could say that China is, at best, neutral. But to be neutral in the face of a genocide committed by an apartheid state especially as the largest fucking country on Earth is to be enablers, and that is the standard by which future Chinese generations and the world at large will just current day China, even though you might not because you love your precious little China.
Did I also mention that China helps the US enforce sanctions against the DPRK? I think I did, yes, I did. They have also at times (almost a dozen in the last twenty years) voted for sanctions, and enforce these sanctions themselves by preventing DPRK exports to China and other countries, as well as enforcing import restrictions. The resolutions in 2017 in particular are particularly cruel in that they limit the sale of fuel to the DPRK (the PRC is the largest supplier btw). China enthusiastically supported and enforced these sanctions. They do not stand with the DPRK unconditionally and unreservedly as the USSR did. They only do so when it is convenient and profitable for themselves.
The PRC has its flaws. Perhaps one day you could be mature enough to admit that.
To state that without China, the different factions of Palestinian resistance couldn’t have reconciled is some conspiratorial bullshit
Never said this. Further, the idea that anyone could have played a vital mediation role, and yet in reality it was the CPC that did so, is important. Material reality matters more than fantasy. The rest of your comment is immense goalpost shifting and cope.
The PRC has its flaws. Perhaps one day you could be mature enough to admit that.
I do admit the PRC has flaws, I just don’t magnify their flaws and minimize their successes.
Uniting resistance groups isn’t “material help?” Humanitarian aid and diplomatic moves towards statehood isn’t “material help?” Support for the PLO isn’t material help?
Hamas uses weapons produced by the DPRK as well, are you arguing that they are getting black market DPRK weaponry as well? Hamas uses what it can get its hands on, yes, including a mix of first and second hand weaponry.
China specifically restricts trade of rare Earths useful in making weaponry. Regardless of what the outward statements may be, they know that restricting rare Earths restricts weapons manufacturers.
And China is highly likely to be providing intelligence to Iran, donated 100 million to Gaza in humanitarian aid in 2025 alone, and has been doing far more than you believe.
China has sent aid, hundreds of millions. They haven’t sanctioned the entity, but they have restricted sales of weaponry and undermined the US’s ability to support Israel.
China has consistently only ever veto’d at the security council if it is willing to intervene millitarily in order to protect the veto’d outcome. The PRC has veto’d sanctions on the DPRK, and has enforced that veto by increasing trade with the DPRK. The US Empire has never been stopped by a veto, such as when it was determined to stop shipping arms to Haiti, which the US subverted. China vetoing the UNSC declaration on Palestine would mean mobilizing its army to directly prevent the US’s plans for the region.
Here they are in 2020 providing aid for COVID relief in Palestine and working with Palestinians to help set up good medical care. Here they are in 2024 providing humanitarian aid, before the 100 million number. China has been a strong friend of Palestine for decades.
I don’t pretend the PRC is a fantasy, perfect version. I also don’t lie about easily verifiable claims, like saying China hasn’t sent aid.
China supports the two-state solution not as a permanent solution, but the first step to the freedom of Palestine by getting Palestine legal recognition as a state.
China is not threatening other countries, and China isn’t risking war with the west.
Overall, the idea that China is doing “nothing” for Palestine is just ultraleftism. They provide diplomatic support for statehood, send humanitarian aid, medical assistance, support Iran, are undermining imperialism and thus eroding Israel’s support base, and more. You’re acting like they are an active enemy of Palestine, rather than a steady ally that has varied in its levels of support.
They didn’t unite the resistance groups. They united themselves. China hosted them. They have been hosted by a lot of different countries. Mediating an international dispute is something all large countries (and sometimes small countries) take part in. This isn’t special and this isn’t help. Was Singapore helping the DPRK by offering to host Kim for his meeting with Trump, while at the same time participating in sanctions? No.
Yes. Is this surprising to you? I know for a fact that the Type 88 is fairly common anywhere in the world. Not hard to find. You are skirting around uncomfortable truths. There is literally no evidence for China ever providing arms to Palestinian resistance groups. Neither have they sent arms to groups whose trucks guns could accidentally fall off of.
Rare earth elements have a wide range of uses. They are used in electronics, primarily. The largest market of electronics is consumers, not militaries. There is no question that things that China do may end up benefiting Palestine in a roundabout cursory way. That is not the point of contention here. If tomorrow, Xi kicks a stone down the road, and by some large chain of events that followed eventually ends up turning the trajectory of a Pissreali missile such that it missed a building, this cannot be attributed to the good will of China.
I thought I wouldn’t have to explain this to a self proclaimed communist, but here we are. We are talking about “aid” that China provided through an organization in Jordan. Essentially, this is an organization that pledge to respect Israel’s sovereignty, that is, they do not defy blockades. And most importantly, they do not associate with organizations designated as terrorist organizations by the US, ie, Hamas. This aid package does not involve Palestinian resistance. Helping refugees in Jordan would also count towards this aid. In terms of actual material help that would reach Palestinian resistance, China has contributed nothing. The US for example, has provided 600 million in 2025 for Gaza, again, through organizations such as the UNRWA and USAID that respect Pissrael’s sovereignty. You know for a fact that this token aid means nothing when the US does it. It doesn’t mean anything when China does it either. China also funds the UNRWA by the way, which has the explicit policy of not letting Hamas have any of the humanitarian aid, ever.
Contrast this to Iran or Qatar, both of whom provide actual money to Hamas, both in the hundreds of millions. China’s aid is what we call a token aid.
China does not send aid to Hamas. This is a verifiable fact. China doesn’t send money, China doesn’t send weapons. China does engage in humanitarian aid that Pissrael allows, which almost every country on Earth also engages in.
Funny you should link this because they sent the aid to Egypt which was at the time and still is blockading Gaza against the wishes of Hamas.
Source? Or is this from your vivid imagination as well?
They why sanction the DPRK? They are able to and can militarily protect their trade with the DPRK.
The point of these resolutions were not that the US would trade with the DPRK otherwise. It was that other neutral countries, including China would. China themselves have cut trade with the DPRK because of the sanctions imposed upon the DPRK in part by China themselves. The second link I posted is proof of this. Chinese trade volume went down after the resolution. China abides by the sanctions imposed on the DPRK by the UN security council, of which China is a permanent member.
I have no idea how you think you could spin a blatant attack on a fellow socialist state as something neutral.
No it doesn’t. It would mean that the US wouldn’t have the symbolic backing of the UN, that’s all. They seek a vote in the UNSC for legitimacy. They did it in Vietnam, they did it in Korea. Catch up already, we have had 80+ years of the US-led world order already.
The CPC mediated the discussions and played an active role. Further, both China’s and the DPRK’s long-standing support of the PLO and established ties to resistance groups is something well-documented.
Incredible cope on your part to try to make it seem like the CPC have no idea that restricting rare Earths restricts western arms. This was easily pointed out by everyone, there’s no chance this wasn’t actively considered.
China ensured that the food aid made it to Gaza. I thought you cared about material reality, and not just words? The aid made it to Gaza. You’re jumping through hoops to deny China’s support for Palestine, constantly moving goalposts to justify seeing an ally as an enemy. China’s deep bilateral trade with Iran is one of the most important ways Iran can afford to aid the resistance in the first place.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Nobody denies this. This is also not a big deal. Anybody could have mediated. Do you not know how mediation works in international diplomacy? To state that without China, the different factions of Palestinian resistance couldn’t have reconciled is some conspiratorial bullshit - perhaps even an insult to the resistance, in that you think that they were unable to hold a discussion of their own without China’s help. Again, it is probably good that China mediated. But this isn’t aid, which is what is expected of them.
Even if in your vivid imagination this was the so, they still didn’t do it for Palestine. And it probably benefited them more than it hurt the US.
So did the United States. This aid being humanitarian aid for the people of Gaza, and not military or financial aid for the Palestinian resistance. This humanitarian aid was delivered through a Jordanian organization that actively avoids working with the resistance just like the UNRA.
Countries send humanitarian aid to other countries - this is so normal and so common. Do you live under a rock? Even countries that are politically at each other’s throats send humanitarian aid to each other. This does not mean that the countries politically support each other. When done through organizations not involving the local government, such as what China or the US does, it can even serve to undermine the receiver’s authority. The US sends humanitarian aid to the DPRK and Cuba (obviously not through the government). Should the US be praised?
Oh, did I mention that most countries on the planet have sent humanitarian aid to Gaza? The largest one being the United States? Of course, praising the United States or China for said humanitarian aid is detached from the reality that this genocide was committed at the behest of the United States, and was enabled by China, and most other countries that sent aid - A fact you seem so hell bent on admitting.
I bet my ass that you were also defending Nicolas Maduro as he blocked (and rightly so) American humanitarian aid at the Colombian border last year. It is not that you do not understand the nature of humanitarian aid, you just so desperately want to see your precious China support your precious Palestine, and you’ll let a few important details slide in your quest to delude yourself into thinking that the PRC cares. They of course, don’t, at least no more than the EU, which sent 400 million in humanitarian aid in 2025, the US, which sent 600 million in 2025, and practically every country in the world that is a UN member through UNRWA. All of this so called aid, of course, while it may temporarily relieve the suffering of the Palestinian people, does not answer the Palestinian question, strengthen their position, or help the resistance. If anything, this aid might just undermine resistance, as UNRWA constantly does with not allowing Hamas to handle the distribution of aid. Except for Qatar, Iran and the axis of resistance, nobody has helped Palestinian resistance.
Token* support for Palestine.
Nobody said China was an enemy to Palestine. I only ever said China enables the genocide, just like most other countries. They certainly don’t commit it. If one were to be lenient, one could say that China is, at best, neutral. But to be neutral in the face of a genocide committed by an apartheid state especially as the largest fucking country on Earth is to be enablers, and that is the standard by which future Chinese generations and the world at large will just current day China, even though you might not because you love your precious little China.
Did I also mention that China helps the US enforce sanctions against the DPRK? I think I did, yes, I did. They have also at times (almost a dozen in the last twenty years) voted for sanctions, and enforce these sanctions themselves by preventing DPRK exports to China and other countries, as well as enforcing import restrictions. The resolutions in 2017 in particular are particularly cruel in that they limit the sale of fuel to the DPRK (the PRC is the largest supplier btw). China enthusiastically supported and enforced these sanctions. They do not stand with the DPRK unconditionally and unreservedly as the USSR did. They only do so when it is convenient and profitable for themselves.
The PRC has its flaws. Perhaps one day you could be mature enough to admit that.
Never said this. Further, the idea that anyone could have played a vital mediation role, and yet in reality it was the CPC that did so, is important. Material reality matters more than fantasy. The rest of your comment is immense goalpost shifting and cope.
I do admit the PRC has flaws, I just don’t magnify their flaws and minimize their successes.