I was in a kerfuffle with a western “leftist” on discord. I was once on a server called “socialism” but then i got kicked for being a “tankie”, but that’s not the point of this. When I asked about where “democratic socialism”, which is more of an us-not-them word than anything imo, worked out, they pointed to Gadaffiist Libya. What would be a good response to that?

  • Devin
    0•3 years ago

    So does your form of communism have examples that worked?

          • Devin
            -1•3 years ago

            But don’t they have private ownership?

            • The Free PenguinOP
              4•3 years ago

              The US has the Bourgeoisie in the high ranks of the government. China doesn’t. The Chinese gov’t has strict regulations. China does not want a bourgeoisie, The USA does. China just keeps them out of necessity.

                • The Free PenguinOP
                  3•3 years ago

                  Yes, it is. If China were capitalist, all these people who got too power hungry wouldn’t be arrested.

                  • Devin
                    1•3 years ago

                    But isn’t socialism about the workers owning the means of production. If there’s still plenty of private ownership of the means of production, isn’t that not socialism?

      • Devin
        -1•3 years ago

        It feels odd to use that argument on a Dem soc when that’s a common argument against communists. Previous success or failure of a system doesn’t mean the system is inherently ineffective.

        Sorry about the bad wording in the first one. I have fixed it now.

        • The Free PenguinOP
          2•3 years ago

          Marxism Leninism succeeded everywhere where it was tried, the USSR and the Eastern Bloc did not fall due to communism’s “inherent failure”. It fell due to the capitalists bribing Gorbačëv with PIZZA HUT, bringing an end to the USSR/Eastern Bloc. China, on the other hand, while trading with other countries, pushes state and local enterprise. While with Gorbačëv, it was like “tHaNkS tO gOrBaČëV, wE nOw hAvE pIzZa HuT”. Dem Soc, on the other hand, never became a stable country (unless you count gaddafiist libya) which most demsocs don’t even consider a demsoc.

          • Devin
            1•3 years ago

            While I don’t think the USSR’s failure is due to communism, I’m saying that it’s odd to use the same sword used against us. The point should be that we have good ideas that don’t need to be stacked upon history. They’re just good ideas alone.