IDK, maybe when more people here are getting screwed over, libs will radicalize and get off their asses instead of trying to guilt us for not giving legitimacy unconditionally to their favorite “lesser evil” bourgeois party.

Of course, using their meager leverage to extract concessions from the people supposedly representing them never crosses their minds…

Also imagine having the audacity to call us privileged when you see what’s going on in Gaza as a “single issue” instead of an escalation of violence by the ruling class that can and will go back to us.

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    so unless you are gunning for separatism

    That’s the thing: I always have been. I fundamentally do not believe that there CAN BE an ‘Amerika’ where Black folk and crackers coexist on an actually-equal level; haven’t believed in it since Ferguson. The crackers will never liberate us. We will never know true equality if we just wait on them. We will never know self-determination if we let them pollute the process. Which means it has to be taken from them, bloodlessly or otherwise.

    Where we actually see eye-to-eye is that I believe the nation of subjects, whether just Black, or a fusion of Black and indigenous tribes (however it shakes out) needs a Marxist approach, otherwise we will end up just emulating crackers and their political malfeasance.

    I’ve lost my faith that the arc of history will bend toward justice, and climate change has put us on a clock that is rapidly running out of time. From my perspective, if justice never comes, revenge is fine too. I will not die still lashed to Amerikan crackers.

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      You have successfully impressed upon me that there’s nothing I can say, though as America degrades, i.e. approaches revolutionary conditions, there will be significantly more white people who don’t take the petite-bourgeois-driven path of fascism because they have already been left overwhelmingly proletarian, they will be people who agitation can practically reach. That’s not to say revolution in even the best world would be bloodless, but, well, I can accept that I’m just talking in circles

      From my perspective, if justice never comes, revenge is fine too.

      This, however, is fully reactionary and, as one would expect from that, completely divorced from reason. There’s just nothing to say about it because – unlike other things you say that I don’t really agree with – it has nothing making it look legitimate besides bitterness. Anti-sociality is never Marxist, and this accomplishes nothing but anti-sociality.

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        You have successfully impressed upon me that there’s nothing I can say

        Then what was the point of all this aggrieved bloviation? You know where I stand. If you really had nothing to say why the fuck are you still bending my ear? I am so, so fucking sick of this microaggressive finger-wagging bullshit out of you people when not one of you who has the gall to run your mouths has ever lived where we come from.

        This, however, is fully reactionary and, as one would expect from that, completely divorced from reason.

        And now that I’ve had time to really mull over the crackerish bullshit you’re talking, in what fucking world is it ‘divorced from reason’ to see a necessity for utter separation from one’s existential enemies; existential enemies who STILL exploit the subject-of-empire in every possible way they can, day in and day out, until the subject-of-empire is thoroughly violated and left in either a shallow grave, or up a metaphorical fuckin tree? You know nothing of the struggle, and are frankly naive if you really believe that there’s ANY kind of coming together to do with these crackers.

        One way or another, the debt will be paid. With or without your high-brow paternalist approval. Now fuck off.