That is the most comically bizarre way I have ever seen someone describe the problem of tipping.
A hostage situation? Who is forcing you to go to a restaurant? I don’t remember Marx or Lenin ever writing about how having a waiter serve you is a human right.
If you don’t want to tip, and want to “fight back”, then don’t go to restaurants; it’s that simple. Going to a place where you want and know a working class person has to serve you, and then stiffing them because they’re a “terrorist” holding you “hostage”, just makes you sound entitled and full of yourself.
Yes, the practice of tipping is disgusting. So is screwing over a working class person who you forced to serve you by willingly going to a restaurant. Imagine knowing about a broken system, and instead of not patronizing places that demand tipping, you still go there and take out your “righteous cause” on a random person busting their ass to serve you so they won’t starve. But you’re perfectly fine with them serving you, just the paying them part.
Sorry, I’ve just had plenty of friends get stiffed by “leftists” and chuds who claimed they were fighting back against the evil practice of tipping. People just trying to pay for housing while attending college and barely eating anything.
But I also didn’t really miss the point. If the worker is a hostage and the boss is the terrorist; then why are you patronizing the terrorist by eating at their restaurant? While simultaneously stiffing a working class person.
Also your comment was in response to me saying that it’s a Catch22 if you don’t tip but still eat at a restaurants, as that only harms a working class person.
The word “stiffed” says it all, though. It’s not “stiffed” when tipping is a bribe, not an entitlement, to begin with. The workers are getting stiffed by their boss, not the customers. It’s a particularly American mannerism and social divide-and-conquer mechanism to react to getting stiffed by ones’ employer, by trying to extort the customer instead rather than deal with the problem itself.
People just trying to pay for housing while attending college and barely eating anything.
And doesn’t this also go for most other people, as well? Most people in the US for instance can’t swallow a 500$ emergency expense, and are loaded to the gills with debt, among other things. Why should they have to bother with your country’s especially deranged form of bribery to top it all off?
To >95% of the world, you’re the one who comes off as not only entitled, but outright deluded, you realize that right? But sure, keep on promoting shaking down other proles for an extra buck rather than dealing with the real issue (that the rest of the world doesn’t have to deal with).
Then don’t go. Is that not doable? You think you are fighting some righteous cause by hurting a random prole while still paying the owner for the food?
Where am I demanding to shake down proles to support tipping? Are you deaf?
Why do you demand to be served? Is that luxury that unavoidable?
Also 95% of the world. Sure, that’s great, but the US and it’s tipping culture is not 95% of the world. Just because the system is disgusting and needs to be swept aside, doesn’t mean that you aren’t a selfish prick by stiffing random proletariat because you demand their labour for a luxury but then claim the high ground when it’s beneficial to you.
“Solidarity with the working class” huh? Guess you only do that when it’s beneficial to you. If you eat at a restaurant and don’t tip, you are hurting no one but the server. The restaurant owner already got paid.
JUST DON’T GO TO PLACES THAT DEMAND TIPPING.
Eating out is a luxury. No ethical consumption is for life’s necessities, not luxuries.
I DONT EAT OUT AND WORK WITH LOCAL SERVERS UNIONS FOR THIS VERY REASON.
I don’t, I have no intention of ever heading to the (actual) crapsack country of AmeriKKKa. And I know I’m not missing out on anything by doing so…
Where am I demanding to shake down proles to support tipping? Are you deaf?
Where did I say you were demanding? But you clearly promote it. Do you have any self awareness, or is the burgerrot too ingrained in your mind?
Why do you demand to be served? Is that luxury that unavoidable?
And what is luxury, exactly, by your books? Fast food, street food? Some modest meal? Or perhaps you’re trying to paint a picture of the serving experience being the customer getting waited on hand and foot like royalty, or getting served the ambrosia of the gods? I know you Americans are a bit loopy (and in some places this is actually true) but really now- both in regards to the fact we both know it’s not the norm nor generally desired by most people (it’s part of the toadying process of your nonsense country due to wanting such tips). Here in thread we even have people talking about being expected to tip for convenience stores of all things.
I’ve worked as a server before, and also in back kitchen jobs, and I know as well as you do that most restaurants aren’t the “luxury” you’re trying to sell it as, they’re just places people go for some grub. It’s not treated like a luxury in many other places, either, so this is an issue of you (and your culture) putting the “luxury” label on what is actually a pretty frequent and normalized part of many peoples’ day, all across the world. Considering your country pretty much invented modern marketing and propaganda it makes sense I guess, it’s in the culture to make mountains out of molehills and a pleasant breeze out of the smell of rancid piss. Maybe it’s all the “freedom” and “democracy” that comes with every meal in burgerland that makes it luxury?
“Solidarity with the working class” huh? Guess you only do that when it’s beneficial to you.
Seems like your idea of “solidarity” is also incredibly convenient- does “solidarity” to you mean “if I’m being stiffed by my boss, the customers should make up for it with a nice little bribe?” If so, feel free to cry for your notion of “solidarity” (read: charity, if we’re being charitable- otherwise just bribery or passing the buck) all you want, I’m not overly sympathetic, you’re barking up the entirely wrong tree for what’s owed you. Solidarity to me means the struggle, movement, and answer is the same, not that person A has to make up for what person (or business, etc) B owes me. Mutual and communal support is one thing, but if you think you’re entitled to anything else (or will get it from me in particular, when it isn’t owed) I can’t say I’m at all inclined, rather the opposite.
But by all means, continue to promote the practice of implicit begging, threatening, insulting, and fawning for bribes (all at once- and no offense to beggars but this is what your position comes off as to any sensible person or culture) rather than demanding your due from those who actually owe it to you. How’s that going for you?
Your American brainworms are showing. Much of the world doesn’t tip and is better off for it. In no sensible worldview is a gratuity, basically a bribe, something “owed” to the server (not to mention the fact that servers aren’t the only ones involved in the product).
There’s something owed to the server- a living wage, but that’s between the staff and employer. Customers have nothing to do with it, and there is no ethical consumption to begin with (not to say that there cannot be “more ethical” forms of consumption- but let’s not kid ourselves, tipping does not factor whatsoever into that equation). A product has a price, and that’s how it works- anything more is a bribe, not an entitlement. Do you “owe a tip” to every other underpaid worker you pass by or of whom you occupy a moment’s worth of their time? The notion of “screwing over” someone by not coughing up the customary bribe is completely and utterly laughable. American culture being a- perhaps irrecoverable- dumpster fire doesn’t change anything in that sense.
I find contentious threads like this fascinating, for one thing you can really see who here is American and who isn’t based on their deeply culturally ingrained views on this issue.
That is the most comically bizarre way I have ever seen someone describe the problem of tipping.
A hostage situation? Who is forcing you to go to a restaurant? I don’t remember Marx or Lenin ever writing about how having a waiter serve you is a human right.
If you don’t want to tip, and want to “fight back”, then don’t go to restaurants; it’s that simple. Going to a place where you want and know a working class person has to serve you, and then stiffing them because they’re a “terrorist” holding you “hostage”, just makes you sound entitled and full of yourself.
Yes, the practice of tipping is disgusting. So is screwing over a working class person who you forced to serve you by willingly going to a restaurant. Imagine knowing about a broken system, and instead of not patronizing places that demand tipping, you still go there and take out your “righteous cause” on a random person busting their ass to serve you so they won’t starve. But you’re perfectly fine with them serving you, just the paying them part.
You’re missing the point, in this analogy the worker is the hostage and the boss is the terrorist. Also i was being facetious.
Sorry, I’ve just had plenty of friends get stiffed by “leftists” and chuds who claimed they were fighting back against the evil practice of tipping. People just trying to pay for housing while attending college and barely eating anything.
But I also didn’t really miss the point. If the worker is a hostage and the boss is the terrorist; then why are you patronizing the terrorist by eating at their restaurant? While simultaneously stiffing a working class person.
Also your comment was in response to me saying that it’s a Catch22 if you don’t tip but still eat at a restaurants, as that only harms a working class person.
The word “stiffed” says it all, though. It’s not “stiffed” when tipping is a bribe, not an entitlement, to begin with. The workers are getting stiffed by their boss, not the customers. It’s a particularly American mannerism and social divide-and-conquer mechanism to react to getting stiffed by ones’ employer, by trying to extort the customer instead rather than deal with the problem itself.
And doesn’t this also go for most other people, as well? Most people in the US for instance can’t swallow a 500$ emergency expense, and are loaded to the gills with debt, among other things. Why should they have to bother with your country’s especially deranged form of bribery to top it all off?
Then why are you eating at a restaurant?
Don’t like it? Want to fight back? Don’t go?
If you go and stiff. You’re an entititled prick. That simple.
To >95% of the world, you’re the one who comes off as not only entitled, but outright deluded, you realize that right? But sure, keep on promoting shaking down other proles for an extra buck rather than dealing with the real issue (that the rest of the world doesn’t have to deal with).
Then don’t go. Is that not doable? You think you are fighting some righteous cause by hurting a random prole while still paying the owner for the food?
Where am I demanding to shake down proles to support tipping? Are you deaf?
Why do you demand to be served? Is that luxury that unavoidable?
Also 95% of the world. Sure, that’s great, but the US and it’s tipping culture is not 95% of the world. Just because the system is disgusting and needs to be swept aside, doesn’t mean that you aren’t a selfish prick by stiffing random proletariat because you demand their labour for a luxury but then claim the high ground when it’s beneficial to you.
“Solidarity with the working class” huh? Guess you only do that when it’s beneficial to you. If you eat at a restaurant and don’t tip, you are hurting no one but the server. The restaurant owner already got paid.
JUST DON’T GO TO PLACES THAT DEMAND TIPPING.
Eating out is a luxury. No ethical consumption is for life’s necessities, not luxuries.
I DONT EAT OUT AND WORK WITH LOCAL SERVERS UNIONS FOR THIS VERY REASON.
I don’t, I have no intention of ever heading to the (actual) crapsack country of AmeriKKKa. And I know I’m not missing out on anything by doing so…
Where did I say you were demanding? But you clearly promote it. Do you have any self awareness, or is the burgerrot too ingrained in your mind?
And what is luxury, exactly, by your books? Fast food, street food? Some modest meal? Or perhaps you’re trying to paint a picture of the serving experience being the customer getting waited on hand and foot like royalty, or getting served the ambrosia of the gods? I know you Americans are a bit loopy (and in some places this is actually true) but really now- both in regards to the fact we both know it’s not the norm nor generally desired by most people (it’s part of the toadying process of your nonsense country due to wanting such tips). Here in thread we even have people talking about being expected to tip for convenience stores of all things.
I’ve worked as a server before, and also in back kitchen jobs, and I know as well as you do that most restaurants aren’t the “luxury” you’re trying to sell it as, they’re just places people go for some grub. It’s not treated like a luxury in many other places, either, so this is an issue of you (and your culture) putting the “luxury” label on what is actually a pretty frequent and normalized part of many peoples’ day, all across the world. Considering your country pretty much invented modern marketing and propaganda it makes sense I guess, it’s in the culture to make mountains out of molehills and a pleasant breeze out of the smell of rancid piss. Maybe it’s all the “freedom” and “democracy” that comes with every meal in burgerland that makes it luxury?
Seems like your idea of “solidarity” is also incredibly convenient- does “solidarity” to you mean “if I’m being stiffed by my boss, the customers should make up for it with a nice little bribe?” If so, feel free to cry for your notion of “solidarity” (read: charity, if we’re being charitable- otherwise just bribery or passing the buck) all you want, I’m not overly sympathetic, you’re barking up the entirely wrong tree for what’s owed you. Solidarity to me means the struggle, movement, and answer is the same, not that person A has to make up for what person (or business, etc) B owes me. Mutual and communal support is one thing, but if you think you’re entitled to anything else (or will get it from me in particular, when it isn’t owed) I can’t say I’m at all inclined, rather the opposite.
But by all means, continue to promote the practice of implicit begging, threatening, insulting, and fawning for bribes (all at once- and no offense to beggars but this is what your position comes off as to any sensible person or culture) rather than demanding your due from those who actually owe it to you. How’s that going for you?
Your American brainworms are showing. Much of the world doesn’t tip and is better off for it. In no sensible worldview is a gratuity, basically a bribe, something “owed” to the server (not to mention the fact that servers aren’t the only ones involved in the product).
There’s something owed to the server- a living wage, but that’s between the staff and employer. Customers have nothing to do with it, and there is no ethical consumption to begin with (not to say that there cannot be “more ethical” forms of consumption- but let’s not kid ourselves, tipping does not factor whatsoever into that equation). A product has a price, and that’s how it works- anything more is a bribe, not an entitlement. Do you “owe a tip” to every other underpaid worker you pass by or of whom you occupy a moment’s worth of their time? The notion of “screwing over” someone by not coughing up the customary bribe is completely and utterly laughable. American culture being a- perhaps irrecoverable- dumpster fire doesn’t change anything in that sense.
I find contentious threads like this fascinating, for one thing you can really see who here is American and who isn’t based on their deeply culturally ingrained views on this issue.