Your whole point is terrible. Oppression from the state doesn’t define the economic system. I shouldn’t have to explain this.
The Chinese state hasn’t been helping capital either. It allowed capital to enter parts of the country, monitored it, and when capital investable fucks up, the Chinese state has let said capital either die, or cannibalised it. How can you say they are helping capital in the comments of a news article about how they are letting the whole real estate sector die?
As for your points of socialism:
Workers do own the means of production in china. Not fully, but they do. Farming cooperatives alone comprise of more than 100 million households. That’s households, not individual workers. State owned enterprises also dominate the economy, and where they don’t, you typically have worker cooperatives (huwae is a worker coop), or private enterprises which have party members in the board. Truly private enterprises in China make up a remarkably small part of the economy.
This point and point 3 are just the result of China being in an early stage of socialism. They have just very recently eradicated extreme poverty. You will start to see the points be addressed in the next few decades.
You can’t wither away the state while in the early stages of socialism, or while the world’s biggest state is looking for any opportunity to destroy you.
You misunderstand my point, I never claimed it was an economic system, it’s a state of affairs, it’s a matter of saying simply the oppressors have moved into the state.
i reject the notion that the state is equivalent to or represents the workers interests, which makes them being state owned not equivalent to worker ownership as well.
The source for them fighting for the workers interests seems to be “trust us, we totally will”
edit: Furthermore I just got home and checked, 60% of the GDP is private businesses, 40% is state owned… that doesn’t seem like a socialist paradise to me. That sounds like state and private ownership over the means of production, and I will repeat, neither the state, nor the capitalists are the workers themselves.
Your whole point is terrible. Oppression from the state doesn’t define the economic system. I shouldn’t have to explain this.
The Chinese state hasn’t been helping capital either. It allowed capital to enter parts of the country, monitored it, and when capital investable fucks up, the Chinese state has let said capital either die, or cannibalised it. How can you say they are helping capital in the comments of a news article about how they are letting the whole real estate sector die?
As for your points of socialism:
Workers do own the means of production in china. Not fully, but they do. Farming cooperatives alone comprise of more than 100 million households. That’s households, not individual workers. State owned enterprises also dominate the economy, and where they don’t, you typically have worker cooperatives (huwae is a worker coop), or private enterprises which have party members in the board. Truly private enterprises in China make up a remarkably small part of the economy.
This point and point 3 are just the result of China being in an early stage of socialism. They have just very recently eradicated extreme poverty. You will start to see the points be addressed in the next few decades.
You can’t wither away the state while in the early stages of socialism, or while the world’s biggest state is looking for any opportunity to destroy you.
You misunderstand my point, I never claimed it was an economic system, it’s a state of affairs, it’s a matter of saying simply the oppressors have moved into the state.
i reject the notion that the state is equivalent to or represents the workers interests, which makes them being state owned not equivalent to worker ownership as well.
The source for them fighting for the workers interests seems to be “trust us, we totally will”
edit: Furthermore I just got home and checked, 60% of the GDP is private businesses, 40% is state owned… that doesn’t seem like a socialist paradise to me. That sounds like state and private ownership over the means of production, and I will repeat, neither the state, nor the capitalists are the workers themselves.