The government in USSR very much represented the working class. Maybe actually spend a bit of time learning about USSR instead of regurgitating propaganda points you’ve memorized?
edit: I love how mad libs of lemmy get when faced with basic historical facts
Famines were a common occurrence in the Russian empire and were one of the driving factors behind the revolution.
What happened after Communists took over is that USSR doubled life expectancy in just 20 years. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years. the Semashko system of the USSR increased lifespan by 50% in 20 years. By the 1960’s, lifespans in the USSR were comparable to those in the USA:
Quality of nutrition improved after the Soviet revolution, and the last time USSR had a famine was in 1940s. CIA data suggests they ate just as much as Americans after WW2 peroid while having better nutrition:
Buddy, if you think 1926 is post WW2 then you really need to get off the internet and read a book. And sure, let’s address Holodomor using actual research done by a historian. During the 1932 holodomor famine, the USSR sent aid to affected regions in an attempt to alleviate the famine. According to Mark Tauger in his article, The 1932 Harvest and the Famine of 1933:
While the leadership did not stop exports, they did try to alleviate the famine. A 25 February 1933 Central Committee decree allotted seed loans of 320,000 tons to Ukraine and 240,000 tons to the northern Caucasus. Seed loans were also made to the Lower Volga and may have been made to other regions as well. Kul’chyts’kyy cites Ukrainian party archives showing that total aid to Ukraine by April 1933 actually exceeded 560,000 tons, including more than 80,000 tons of food
Some bring up massive grain exports during the famine to show that the Soviet Union exported food while Ukraine starved. This is fallacious for a number of reasons, but most importantly of all the amount of aid that was sent to Ukraine alone actually exceeded the amount that was exported at the time.
Aid to Ukraine alone was 60 percent greater than the amount exported during the same period. Total aid to famine regions was more than double exports for the first half of 1933.
According to Tauger, the reason why more aid was not provided was because of the low harvest
It appears to have been another consequence of the low 1932 harvest that more aid was not provided: After the low 1931, 1934, and 1936 harvests procured grain was transferred back to peasants at the expense of exports.
Tauger is not a communist, and ultimately this specific article takes the view that the low harvest was caused by collectivization (he factors in the natural causes of the famine in later articles, based on how he completely neglects to mention weather in this article at all its clear that his position shifted over the years). However, its interesting to see that the Soviets really did try to alleviate the famine as best as they could.
There were famines, everybody knows of the 1932-33. And the 1921-1922? although, since the U.S.S.R didn’t exist until 1923, I guess it wasn’t a famine in the U.S.S.R. There was the siege of Leningrad, resulting in starvation.
There was also a genocide in the U.S.S.R., in 1941 Nazi Germany invaded, and subsequently they would murder millions of innocent citizen, some of it as part of the Holocaust, but many were not jews.
And a relevant passage from This Soviet World by Anna Louise Strong
How frustrating. I can’t seem to find a paper copy of this book for sale anywhere. There’s an archived copy online which seems really interesting: https://archive.org/details/this-soviet-world/page/173/mode/2up
Yea, I don’t think it is being sold as a paper copy anywhere, I did however type it up: https://comlib.encryptionin.space/epubs/this-soviet-world/
Thank you for transcribing a better version. Reading over the agriculture section it seems fascinating.
It is a very interesting book. I recommend reading it.
That part about gold being impossible to depose didn’t age well. 😢
Well, USSR wasn’t really dictatorship of proletariat, but rather dictatorship of party leader(s) and the KGB
The government in USSR very much represented the working class. Maybe actually spend a bit of time learning about USSR instead of regurgitating propaganda points you’ve memorized?
edit: I love how mad libs of lemmy get when faced with basic historical facts
so… ruling working class => bad living conditions and massive genocide / famines, while ruling bourgeoise => only bad living conditions? got it
literally the reverse is true, but do go on there
so there were no famines/genocides in the USSR?
Famines were a common occurrence in the Russian empire and were one of the driving factors behind the revolution.
What happened after Communists took over is that USSR doubled life expectancy in just 20 years. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years. the Semashko system of the USSR increased lifespan by 50% in 20 years. By the 1960’s, lifespans in the USSR were comparable to those in the USA:
Quality of nutrition improved after the Soviet revolution, and the last time USSR had a famine was in 1940s. CIA data suggests they ate just as much as Americans after WW2 peroid while having better nutrition:
Once again, maybe spend a bit of time educating yourself instead of trolling here?
you’re talking mostly about post WW2. what do you say about the holodomor?
also you conveniently didn’t talk about genocide
Buddy, if you think 1926 is post WW2 then you really need to get off the internet and read a book. And sure, let’s address Holodomor using actual research done by a historian. During the 1932 holodomor famine, the USSR sent aid to affected regions in an attempt to alleviate the famine. According to Mark Tauger in his article, The 1932 Harvest and the Famine of 1933:
Some bring up massive grain exports during the famine to show that the Soviet Union exported food while Ukraine starved. This is fallacious for a number of reasons, but most importantly of all the amount of aid that was sent to Ukraine alone actually exceeded the amount that was exported at the time.
According to Tauger, the reason why more aid was not provided was because of the low harvest
Tauger is not a communist, and ultimately this specific article takes the view that the low harvest was caused by collectivization (he factors in the natural causes of the famine in later articles, based on how he completely neglects to mention weather in this article at all its clear that his position shifted over the years). However, its interesting to see that the Soviets really did try to alleviate the famine as best as they could.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2500600
On top of that, the famine was also in part caused by the fact that kulaks slaughtered livestock rather then let it become collectivized https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak#Dekulakization
Again, go educate yourself instead of trolling. You’re just embarrassing yourself here.
There were famines, everybody knows of the 1932-33. And the 1921-1922? although, since the U.S.S.R didn’t exist until 1923, I guess it wasn’t a famine in the U.S.S.R. There was the siege of Leningrad, resulting in starvation.
There was also a genocide in the U.S.S.R., in 1941 Nazi Germany invaded, and subsequently they would murder millions of innocent citizen, some of it as part of the Holocaust, but many were not jews.