u/Creeemi - originally from r/GenZhou
Also why are there two republics and not one? And was/is there really genocide in Donbas? I know about the 2014 fascist led coup by NATO aligned neo nazis and all that, but I dont really understand about the situatoin in east Ukraine, except that they are mostly russian speaking and have pro russian sentiments (which the west ukrainians dont like).
Edit: Also what exactly is Minsk II, why do people say its dead and who broke it and why?
u/PaiosFranen - originally from r/GenZhouFalse, there is a genocide. Azov has killed many russian civilians in east Ukraine, and russian, along with hungarian and romanian, have pretty much been banned from public life in Ukraine since 2014. School in those languages is illegal, shops must use ukrainian when talking to customers and russian language media has all been shut down pretty much.
Edit: Also the 2014 events were most definetely a US organized coup. See my other comment below for details.
u/parentis_shotgun - originally from r/GenZhouThe other thing that’s false about their statement, is not calling what happened to Yanukovich a coup, which it definitely was:
Obama Admitted to supporting and arming Neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalist groups like the Azov battalion in Ukraine to overthrow it’s former pro-Russia govt.
u/PaiosFranen - originally from r/GenZhouYes, absolutely agree. Theres even better evidence than this. The Victoria Nuland leaked phone call where she literally picks who the next ukrainian prime minister will be (spoiler alert, her “prediction” became true) proves it was a coup beyond doubt. Also there is the leaked phone call of the estonian foreign minister stating that the famous Maidan square sniper attack was organized by the US funded opposition. The evidence is clear.
u/parentis_shotgun - originally from r/GenZhouDo you have that article? I’d love to add it to my docs.
u/PaiosFranen - originally from r/GenZhouSure thing comrade.
Transcript of Victoria Nulands leaked phone call: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957?fbclid=IwAR21mF44ZNB_zxgrJklEAUkHUEKXIRLHn5YfMAWARxuDPKzwTWSrM-jSfQc
Article on the leaked phone call by estonian foreign minister (not president, i was wrong): https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/03/05/leaked-eu-officials-speculate-kiev-snipers-acted-on-protesters-orders/
Its also western media so the idiot libs cant say iTs rUsSiAn pRoPaGaNdA
u/parentis_shotgun - originally from r/GenZhouThx!
u/PaiosFranen - originally from r/GenZhouNo problem!
u/PaiosFranen - originally from r/GenZhouAlso just to add on this, the US using sniper attacks on protesters to stage a color revolution isnt something new, there is in fact a strong precedent for this. The event that triggered the violent ousting and murder of Nicolae Ceausescu (communist president of romania) in 1989 was a sniper attack against peaceful protesters in Bucharest while Ceausescu was giving a speech aimed at reconciliation between government and protesters. The event was caught live on TV during Ceausescus speech, and you can clearly see that Ceausescu is genuinely confused and worried as halfway through his speech shots are heard and people start panicking. After this event Ceausescu was quickly overthrown. He was immediately arrested by order of his own generals and executed immediately along with his wife Elena. He was not allowed to explain his version of the events to the public before being killed. Afterwards, the generals and communist party officials who had betrayed him became the new rulers and oligarchs of the modern day “free” and “democratic” Romania.
Now, although as far as i know there is no conclusive evidence that this was a CIA plot, it seems very likely to me. Some speculate that there was also KGB involvement in this under orders of Gorbachev, since Ceausescu was one of the most vocal opponents of perestroika.
u/Neat_Association7949 - originally from r/GenZhouIsn’t there also evidence that there were unidentified snipers involved during the 1993 constitutional crisis in Russia?
Seems like this comes straight out of the CIA’s playbook. Especially when we consider the overwhelmingly pro western shift as a result, it’s almost certain that snipers weren’t the entirety of US influence.
u/NelsonJamdela - originally from r/GenZhouSo pretty much what the west has been accusing china of doing to the uyghurs?
u/PaiosFranen - originally from r/GenZhouKind of yes. In Ukraine the cultural genocide is definetely systematic and planned by the government. The actual genocide isnt. Ukraine isnt putting all russians in concentration camps or anything, like the west claims China does to uyghurs. All you need to do as a russian to be accepted and have no problems is speak ukrainian, support the ukrainian government, hate Russia and love the west, noone will check who your parents are or anything. However, if you dare speak russian, express distaste for the ukrainian government and/or the west or support for Russia in public, you will be probably harassed, assaulted or even killed by neonazi gangs like Azov Battalion. The ukrainian government doesnt commit actual genocide, but does nothing to prevent it either. Many Azov nazis have committed genocide against russians in East Ukraine. This wasnt ordered by the government, but they arent against it either. Same happens with other minorities like hungarians and romanians or if you are a communist, since in 2015 Ukraine banned communism. Anyone supporting communism or showing communist symbols in public gets 3 years in prison. Same if you dare “deny the heroism” in public of Stepan Bandera, the nazi hero of Ukraine. Now while Ukraine wouldnt commit actual genocide against russians in Donbass if they could, Azov and other neonazi gangs definetely would. And since these people are most of the soldiers Ukraine uses to fight in Donbass, Donbass must be protected.
TLDR: Yes, its what the west claims China does to uyghurs but toned down.
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