u/explorerofbells - originally from r/GenZhou
Hey comrades,
I’m a part of a discord server called Vegan Theory Club that’s run by mix of leftist tendencies. It’s a theory club that’s explicitly leftist and vegan, but we talk about more than just the book of the month.
We just started reading Eternal Treblinka - Our Treatment of Animals and the Holocaust by Charles Patterson, which we voted for. (Our last book was Kapital.) Right now is the perfect time to join!
We’d love to have you!
u/warender99 - originally from r/GenZhou
I disagree. Your analysis comes from the viewpoint that socialism and veganism are necessarily intertwined. They are not, and the consumption of meat predates capitalism by a large span of time. Without making a idealist morality based argument about the consumption of meat irregardless to the means in which said meat is acquired, what reason do you see that necessitates the entire eradication of meat/animal product consumption?
u/explorerofbells - originally from r/GenZhou
How about I just link you to some theory?
https://www.hexbear.net/post/113923
u/warender99 - originally from r/GenZhou
“Woah I’m not reading that crap, sum it up in one word!”
-Bender bending Rodriguez
Nah but for real appreciate the link. Looks like a decent read, I’ll return here once I’ve finished. I also don’t want to get lumped in with the other people with the whole elon musk green capitalism type thing. My angle is different from theirs. Much less about the proposed alternatives within capitalism and much more about what diets Looks like in a socialist society compared to today. It is obvious that we need to drastically reduce our meat consumption for the benefit of the environment, im just not quite sold on the complete veganism angle.
u/calciumpotass - originally from r/GenZhou
Don’t worry none of it addresses artificial meat
u/warender99 - originally from r/GenZhou
I think the point the are trying to make can be justly summed with the following quote from the literature provided
It isn’t so much that artificially grown meat could not replace meat, but rather that as a part of our struggle for liberation we must logically include Animals. Indeed to think about it from a moralism perspective I now understand is to think of it from the wrong angle entirely. It is easy to mistake all vegans/animal liberation activists as adhering to idealist tendencies. The literature does a pretty good job distinguishing itself from this and providing a historical materialist perspective on the matter.
Everything we do must be grounded in reality, lest we become dogmatic, idealist fools. It is no lie that the meat industry is responsible for massive damage to the earth. It’s abolition therefore is necessary for the preservation of our home planet. Artificially grown meat could not hope to replace it in the short or even medium term. There is no argument within the paper that necessitates the utter abandonment of that possibility, but I do think it is easy to understand the social change of vegan diets is clearly the better, more feasible solution. Alternatives to meat therefore would not likely by pursued by a wholly vegan society. That is to say if I woke up in the morning and the whole world was a United socialist project, it would necessarily be an important task of that project to convert the existing food industry into a, like the quote says, “ecologically sustainable, vegan, and socially planned” one.
u/calciumpotass - originally from r/GenZhou
I appreciate that you’re trying to take that lazy argument in good-faith. But honestly, if lab-grown meat has no hope to replace the cattle industry in the short or medium term, veganism has no hope of converting the majority of the population for the foreseeable future
u/warender99 - originally from r/GenZhou
Hey big thanks for the reading material. It certainly helped my understanding of how veganism and Marxism intertwine. Quite a perspective changing read. It’s always crazy to me when I read something that so perfectly demonstrates the ideas in my head. From the addressing of the ideological strains of veganism as it exists today, to the synthesis of the two using historical materialism. It addressed any and all counterpoints I had as I read it. Well put together I must say.
u/explorerofbells - originally from r/GenZhou
It makes me really happy to hear that. Thanks for taking the time to read.
u/courtneygoe - originally from r/GenZhou
THANK YOU
OP isn’t operating in good faith whatsoever