u/Slip_Inner - originally from r/GenZhou
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Uyghur allegation: There are over 2 million Uyghurs jailed in concentration camps in the name of re-education, but they are secretly being raped, tortured, sterilized, and murdered.

General Logical Rebuttal:

There is no incentive to do so, there is no historical precedence that suggests so, and so far there is no proof of so.

There are 10 million Uyghurs in the entirety of China, taking away 4 million for the population for seniors and children (based on the average working demographic of the world). If a third of the working population are in camps, Xinjiang’s economy would collapse. You would disproportionately see seniors and children on the street instead of adults. A significant number of shops would close down because there are no primary customers to buy things and primary shop owners to sell things. None of this has happened.

On The Number “2 million”:

You have probably seen the satellite image of alleged camps that holds these 2 million detainees. Take one of the most packed areas in the world, New York Manhattan. This place regularly holds 1.6 million people and is an undoubtedly tightly packed place. As there are no skyscrapers in these satellite images, the area of occupation for the 2 million Uighur camps should take up another half of an extra Manhattan. Where are the satellite images of city-sized camps around Xinjiang?

If this does not give you an idea of how ridiculous the number 2 million is, the total population of US inmates is 2.3 million. There are 1,719 state prisons, 102 federal prisons, 942 juvenile correctional facilities, 3,283 local jails, and 79 Indian Country jails as well as military prisons, immigration detention facilities, civil commitment centers, and prisons. The US prisons are also known to be constantly operating at maximum capacity. There should be over 6 thousand different sized facilities in the province of Xinjiang, not just a couple of tens of small elementary school-sized structures.

Adrian Zenz’s study is a bit more complicated to debunk because there is an actual “study” to look at. After taking some time to look at the actual study and doing some research on Adrian Zenz, one can quickly find out that he does not have a history in conducting academically approved papers. He has not received education in statistics related subjects and he has a long track record of making some very “questionable” claims. He claimed that he is “sent by God to punish Beijing,” and actively connects homosexuality, gender equality, and bans on corporal punishment to the power of “Antichrist.” His Wikipedia page has since removed any content regarding his “unconventional” beliefs but archives can still be found on the internet.

Regarding the actual study, there is actually nothing much of substance. Most of the paragraphs are dedicated to providing information on the geological and geographical information on Xinjiang. The conclusion of “millions of detainees” is made by interviewing merely 8 alleged former detainees. There is no further useful information in Zenz’s study on this topic. It is fair to conclude, with a relationship to his fundamentalist Christian views and track record of questionable beliefs by today’s standard, that Adrian Zenz’s study is ultimately unfit to be cited by any article.

If you don’t believe my personal account, here is an article that includes a more detailed explanation:

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/

The “Evidence” of Vocational Training School’s Human Rights Violation:

Drone Footage of blindfolded men shackled and shaven:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU_w5UzdZEs

The mentioning of this specific drone footage usually comes with allegations regarding the nature of the content. Most would claim that this is a transfer of Uyghur detainees to the concentration camps. However, a mere close up inspection of the back of vests of these alleged detainees shows that these people belong to the 喀什市看守所, Kashgar Remand Prison. This means that these are inmates, prisoners, literal criminals that are now being portrayed as innocent victims to suit the commentator’s political agenda. Using this footage to argue that the concentration camp exists is ill-intentioned and aims to exploit viewers who can not read Simplified Chinese.

u/Slip_Inner - originally from r/GenZhou
The UN did not report China has ‘massive internment camps’ for Uighur Muslims:https://thegrayzone.com/2018/08/23/un-did-not-report-china-internment-camps-uighur-muslims/

Xinjiang: Facts vs Fiction:https://leohezhao.medium.com/xinjiang-facts-vs-fiction-bdc2aa403c91

An investigation into Adrien Zenz:https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/

https://chollima.org/who-is-adrian-zenz-the-christian-fundamentalist-leading-the-global-xinjiang-narrative/

The same Zenz believes now that he is on a god given mission against China, as quoted in the Wall Street Journal. This is in line with his promotion of the belief the world is at the “end of times”. The mainstream media would have undoubtedly crucified anyone with these kinds of views, which may be indisputably described as hatred, prejudice and bigotry. Yet instead, because he is a zealous anti-Communist voice, he is instead presented as an infallible “expert” who ought never to be questioned and his actual views are never given scrutiny or critique.

The US funds Uyghur separatists through organizations such as the NED:https://www.ned.org/wp-content/themes/ned/search/grant-search.php?organizationName=&region=Asia&projectCountry=China&amount=&fromDate=&toDate=&projectFocus[]=&search=&maxCount=10&orderBy=CountryR&start=1&sbmt=1

https://mobile.twitter.com/nedemocracy/status/1337063301113581568?lang=en

The 9/11 Commission Final Report: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CRECB-2005-pt18/html/CRECB-2005-pt18-Pg24156.htm

Of course, as we all know, one of the greatest disasters of politicization of intelligence that occurred even before the Iraq war was over the politicization of intelligence on the Soviet Union…

Levivier also interviewed a CIA analyst about the role of the Mujahedin. This CIA agent said ``The policy of guiding the evolution of Islam and of helping them against our adversaries worked marvelously well in Afghanistan against the Red army. The same doctrines can still be used to destabilize what remains of Russian power, and especially to counter the Chinese influence in Central Asia.‘’

And I’m done

u/Slip_Inner - originally from r/GenZhou
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkmkcOdyrbw

This video holds even less water than the aforementioned drone footage, as the men in the video are featureless. They weren’t even shown to be Uyghurs. So what is video then? This is a video captured in August 2017 on Douban. The blindfolded men are pyramid scheme (MLM) missionaries, literal criminals that scams people of their hard-earned cash and literally destroy lifes and families. They are victimized to suit the agenda of whomever uses this as “evidence” of

Another unpleasant surprise coming from this Fundementalist Christian on his “God given mission to destroy Beijing.” Zenz, continuing his demonstration of reality warping magic-based power, recently published another study unearthing the shocking news that “80% of all sterilizations in China are performed in Xinjiang.” This is what everyone thinks they have heard.

The actual study is actually on the usage of IUDs, a reversible contraception device.

The actual study? It falls apart very easily. The very document that Zenz supposedly has cited shows that Xinjiang only contributes 8.7% of the total IUDs performed in China.

Testimonies by “Former Detainees”:

First of all, it is important to understand the fact that testimonies are anecdotal evidence, heavily subjected to perception bias. Society today suffers from false victimhood because people are very likely to believe the perceived victim and disregard anything coming from the defendant. In the case of testimonies’ falsehood, the defendant is the one that suffers the most.

Tursunay Ziyawudun:

Tursunay Ziyawundun is the person that started the Forced Sterilization/Chemical Castration Allegation, which is very rampant on today’s internet.

https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c

The Problem? She stated in her interview with Buzzfeed months ago that she “wasn’t beaten or abused”:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/meghara/china-uighur-xinjiang-kazakhstan

Why did she change her testimony? A simple explanation would be that had she claimed to have been physically abused, she would have been asked to show bodily evidence, something that would immediately debunk her claim. Now 7 months later, she could claim whatever she wants to, and can simply disregard any request to show bodily evidence.

Rushan Abbas:

Then there is the bizarre case of Rushan Abbas. She actually has a presence on Reddit. She runs an account called u/uyghurrallynyc that has since been shut down after her AMA on r/IAmA gathering over 30k upvotes.

/r/IAmA/comments/e9ad4n/i_am_rushan_abbas_uyghur_activist_and_survivor_of/

She claims to be an Uyghur activist and that many of her friends were locked up in the concentration camps. So what is the big news? She failed to mention her association with NED, a literal branch of CIA, and her participation in the human rights abuse in Guantanamo Bay in 2003, an actual verifiable human rights atrocity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

It remains unclear what her role was at the detention camp. She later explained that she only did translation work, which, need I remind you, still facilitated the inhumane interrogation of innocent people and the worst-case scenario actually participated in the torturing of mostly religious Muslims. The camp remains open indefinitely under the Trump administration.

https://web.archive.org/web/20181207031224/https://www.isi-consultants.com/rushan-abbas/

Sayragul Sauytbay:

This person is on a whole new level of creativity and disgeniuncy. Her allegations took inspirations from grimdark fantasy fictions, including:

“Seeing an old woman having her skin flayed.”

“Starved throughout an entire week but being force fed BBQ pork on Fridays.“

“Personally raped in front of 200 inmates.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7599941/Whistleblower-escaped-Chinese-education-camp-reveals-horrors.html

This all sounds horrible until you look at her original testimony, being that “I didn’t see any violence.”

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-everyone-was-silent-endlessly-mute-former-chinese-re-education/

Seems like the CIA cheques have arrived.

Credits to u/Speedo12deep for the investigative work.

/r/Sino/comments/dop1uf/contradictions_in_western_testimonies_about/

China Refuses Entry to These “Concentration Camps”? False.

Many galaxy brain internet conspiracists have made the same point, that is if there is truly nothing wrong with what they are doing at these camps, then why wouldn’t they allow entry to these camps?

They have, many times.

January 2019: China invited UN observers.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1456065

June 2019: China invited UN High commissioner.

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/China-Invites-UN-to-Visit-Education-Centers-in-Xinjiang-20190613-0004.html

Many News Outlets like BBC and Vice have also done documentaries on the issue, with BBC having the opportunity to actually go inside the vocational training schools. The result? No matter how hard BBC tried to portray the schools as hell on earth, including blatantly mistranslating interviewee’s words, using out of context satellite images, and making up lies about a “graffiti that they just so happened to have found on a wall,” the documentary shows nothing of the accused “human right violations,” which of course upsets the conspiracy advocates.

https://medium.com/@sunfeiyang/breaking-down-the-bbcs-visit-to-hotan-xinjiang-e284934a7aab

Despite China’s efforts to clear it’s own name, the conspiracists of the west still refuse to accept reality and claim that these “inside footages” are planned and faked to trick the viewers. Simply take a look at the comment section of the BBC documentary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmId2ZP3h0c

It is hard to believe that there is somehow a coexistence between people who think that China has something to hide so they won’t allow inside access, and people who think that China has faked the inside access.

The truth has always been there, but it may not be the truth that some people want to see.

A UN Resolution of global south nations:https://undocs.org/pdf?symbol=en/A/HRC/41/G/17

We express our firm opposition to relevant countries’ practice of politicizing human rights issues, by naming and shaming, and publicly exerting pressures on other countries. We commend China’s remarkable achievements in the field of human rights by adhering to the people-centered development philosophy and protecting and promoting human rights through development. We also appreciate China’s contributions to the international human rights cause.

World Bank Investigation of Xinjiang:https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china

When allegations are made, the World Bank takes them seriously and reviews them thoroughly. In line with standard practice, immediately after receiving a series of serious allegations in August 2019 in connection with the Xinjiang Technical and Vocational Education and Training Project, the Bank launched a fact-finding review, and World Bank senior managers traveled to Xinjiang to gather information directly…

The team conducted a thorough review of project documents, engaged in discussions with project staff, and visited schools directly financed by the project, as well as their partner schools that were the subject of allegations. The review did not substantiate the allegations.

Organization of Islamic Cooperation praises Chinese handling of Xinjiang:https://www.oic-oci.org/docdown/?docID=4447&refID=1250

Welcomes the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat’s delegation upon invitation from the People’s Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People’s Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People’s Republic of China.

http://www.inp.net.pk/china-lauds-oics-resolution-on-xinjiang/

Egyptian media delegates visit Xinjiang: https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/430738-egyptian-media-delegates-provide-a-detailed-insight-of-the-situation-in-xinjiang

The recently published report also brings forth some interesting facts related to the religious freedom as opposed to the western propaganda. The report provides a strong testimonial by the visiting delegates who clearly state, “the in houses of worship such as the Id Kah Mosque in Kashgar, modern facilities abound, providing water, electricity and air conditioning. Local clerics told the visitors that their religious activities had been very well protected”. “The conditions here are very good,” said Abdelhalim Elwerdany, of Egypt’s Al-Gomhuria newspaper. “I could feel that local Muslims fully enjoy religious freedom.”

u/Avatar_of_me - originally from r/GenZhou
There’s also this fantastic report https://eurispes.eu/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/rapporto.en-xinjiang_2021.pdf

u/McHonkers - originally from r/GenZhou
http://www.cese-m.eu/cesem/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/EN-Xinjiang-2.pdf

Here is a recent Italian report that is discrediting most of the western claims. It is signed by a bunch of western academics, activists, industry leaders and politicians.

It’s not a good academic work since it lacks some academic standard practices, but i think you can definitively quote and use it.