Do I think what’s happening in China, NK, and Ukraine is worse than what’s happening in the West? Absolutely not. Turtle Island is under a 500 year occupation by European settler colonial structures that killed hundreds of millions of people in a program to make extinct all non-European ways of life.
The occupation of the world by Western white capitalist men is still ongoing and still threatens to end cultures, national self-direction, biodiversity, and sometimes even all life on earth through nuclear escalation. The US has pulled out of so many weapons treaties, has poisoned multiple generations of Vietnamese, Japanese, Yugoslavians, Iraqis, etc. The man who designed and engineered the mass murder of generations of Southeast Asians, Kissinger, literally just went to China as a representative of the US. It’s non-fucking-stop extreme violence by white men.
Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Korea have all been bombed to shit by Americans, specifically. The amount of unexploded US ordinance in these regions is mind boggling. The amount of ordinance dropped by the US defies human cognition.
Then we have the US-trained death squads using US-guided tactics to terrorize families and indigenous communities throughout the “Americas”, literally torturing and beheading entire families. The US torture program. The long history of Euro-US apartheid in the Americas, the support for South African and Israeli apartheid, the explicit opposition to ending South African apartheid. The emergence of Euro fascism replicating the US program of apartheid. The industrialization of mass murder.
The US leaves open uranium waste pits in Indian territory, poisoning generations of native families. They destroy water and food supplies, on purpose, to maximize extraction and maintain genocide. The mass murder of the US buffalo was committed by the US military to be explicitly take advantage of a treaty clause that would strip the indians of the lands the US displaced them to. Canada is subject to many of these same critiques.
And it never stops. It hasn’t stopped in 600 years. Name a country that isn’t part of Europe and it will have a centuries-long history of brutal domination by white people replete with genocide, torture, slavery, and theft in the billions. Haiti is still suffering under the debt the West levied on them for freeing themselves under the shared recognition by the West that slaves who revolt stole the property of their own bodies from their owners. The famines caused by England killed millions of subjects. All of the Western touting of poverty reduction has backslid and is built on the total subjugation of billions. If you take China’s poverty alleviation numbers out of the UN total count, the backsliding in Western-held territories leaves almost nothing to speak of.
Yes, what’s happening in the West is many many many times worse than what’s happening in China, DPRK, and Ukraine. And we haven’t even talked about Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, the Berlin Conference, nuclear weapons testing in populated areas, environmental devastation by Western oil companies and the millions they kill, the must brutal embargo regimes inflicting collective punishment on hundreds of millions of innocent people for almost a century. The 600 global military bases. The predatory lending. The disgusting medical experimentation. The role of religion in all this.
And despite all of this, you still think you have a leg to stand on. And that’s the icing on the cake - the amount of Western propaganda and indoctrination that enlists little children in propagating structural racism and violent extremism from a very early age. Indoctrination so thorough that 20 years of schooling are all completely and thoroughly aligned with the violent lies that perpetuate genocide and no one bats an eye. Where all mass media reinforces the dominant narrative and when people speak up millions shout them down. Where sex is worse than violence. Where violence is so normalized that children commit mass murder in their school on a regular basis. Where you and I can have a real conversation and you think it’s somehow logical to claim that what’s happening in China is worse than what’s happening in the West.
It’s a terrifyingly powerful indoctrination, so it’s not surprising that you hold the position you do, but it is a position without a single shred of basis. It is 100% a set of false beliefs that perpetuate the centuries-long genocidal extraction and accumulation of wealth.
Go learn history. The fact that you think I’m spouting “the exact same rhetoric” is fucking mind blowing. The fact that you think this is “media inspired” leaves me completely dazed and confused. What media do you think I have access to that pushes this? You think I watch Chinese TV? Russian TV? Iranian TV? You think they have the time and inclination to put out media programs that explain 600 years of global domination by white people? Motherfucker I am studying history and have been for years now and this is literally what happened. Nothing I detailed above is media hype. It’s literally YOUR history. Go fucking learn it.
Relax dude. You let the baby out with the bathwater. What are you trying to accomplish, you really think I’m going to change my mind and NOT think you’re some nutjob with these walls of text? You do you.
Also, you haven’t changed my mind. I still think that other cultures are equally bad if not worse. I could provide examples and explain it, but it’s not like you’d listen anyway.
you really think I’m going to change my mind and NOT think you’re some nutjob with these walls of text? You do you.
The fact that you shy away from reading a few paragraphs is pretty damning evidence that you have zero idea what you’re talking about because you can’t fucking read. Try podcasting about history if that’s more your speed.
I still think that other cultures are equally bad if not worse
Yeah, because you’re an indoctrinated liberal who grew up under the strongest propaganda the world has ever seen.
I could provide examples and explain it, but it’s not like you’d listen anyway.
Bet you couldn’t do it without repeating state propaganda AND without accidentally repeating complete racist horseshit without even realizing it.
I’m not going to change your mind because you’re comfortable with the way things are. You’re in your privilege spot where you can say you’re the good guy and the only reason things are bad is because some people are evil. “Other cultures are just as evil as European culture, actually, some of them are even worse. Sure, Europe literally colonized 80% of the world’s population, but I bet you those other cultures would have done it if they were smart enough (but they’re not because their cultures weren’t good enough) and besides, Europe brought civilization and advanced society to these backwards people.” I’m sure you’re all about telling people how Mao caused famines that killed millions but don’t even know about the famines caused by the West, some that killed 5% of the entire population they were occupying when they decided to starve them.
You’re likely living in the US, Canada, Australia, or UK. You’re in your mid 20s and need to feel like you know what the fuck is going on. In all four of those countries every educational institution was historically organized and designed by the UK, the global hegemon before WW2, and designed explicitly to reinforce cis het male white supremacist racial capitalism.
You have no real awareness of how fucked up the European project has been. You were told Hitler was bad but never told that in Mein Kampf he wrote explicitly how he was going to copy the US system, enhance it for the European context, and attempt to dominate the Slavs the same way the US dominated the indigenous.
You were told that the US needed to bomb hundreds of thousands of civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki because otherwise the Japanese would have continued fighting, but were never told that Japan was literally at the negotiating table trying to establish the terms of surrender and when they asked for a concession the US just didn’t bother to respond and nuked them.
You were told that the famous picture from Tiananmen Square showed dead people lying on the ground when instead they were bicycles (and 4 people clearly alive) and you could see it for yourself but never bothered to look.
You were told that NATO, the defensive pact, bombed Yugoslavia without provocation to stop a genocide but were never told they dropped depleted uranium munitions in civilian centers despite not needing to pierce heavy armor and despite the generations of death that the munitions would cause (because, ya know, that’s how humanitarians do).
You are willfully ignorant. You put your fingers in your ears and scream when you see things that would violate your deeply held convictions that even though the West did bad things, it was better than the alternative, that those Asiatic hordes would have done worse (just look at what they did to their own people!), blah blah blah.
The only hope here is that you’re mid-20s and you’ll learn eventually, the same way the rest of us figured, by having your indoctrination slowly chipped away at by the brutal truth of history.
Do I think what’s happening in China, NK, and Ukraine is worse than what’s happening in the West? Absolutely not. Turtle Island is under a 500 year occupation by European settler colonial structures that killed hundreds of millions of people in a program to make extinct all non-European ways of life.
The occupation of the world by Western white capitalist men is still ongoing and still threatens to end cultures, national self-direction, biodiversity, and sometimes even all life on earth through nuclear escalation. The US has pulled out of so many weapons treaties, has poisoned multiple generations of Vietnamese, Japanese, Yugoslavians, Iraqis, etc. The man who designed and engineered the mass murder of generations of Southeast Asians, Kissinger, literally just went to China as a representative of the US. It’s non-fucking-stop extreme violence by white men.
Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Korea have all been bombed to shit by Americans, specifically. The amount of unexploded US ordinance in these regions is mind boggling. The amount of ordinance dropped by the US defies human cognition.
Then we have the US-trained death squads using US-guided tactics to terrorize families and indigenous communities throughout the “Americas”, literally torturing and beheading entire families. The US torture program. The long history of Euro-US apartheid in the Americas, the support for South African and Israeli apartheid, the explicit opposition to ending South African apartheid. The emergence of Euro fascism replicating the US program of apartheid. The industrialization of mass murder.
The US leaves open uranium waste pits in Indian territory, poisoning generations of native families. They destroy water and food supplies, on purpose, to maximize extraction and maintain genocide. The mass murder of the US buffalo was committed by the US military to be explicitly take advantage of a treaty clause that would strip the indians of the lands the US displaced them to. Canada is subject to many of these same critiques.
And it never stops. It hasn’t stopped in 600 years. Name a country that isn’t part of Europe and it will have a centuries-long history of brutal domination by white people replete with genocide, torture, slavery, and theft in the billions. Haiti is still suffering under the debt the West levied on them for freeing themselves under the shared recognition by the West that slaves who revolt stole the property of their own bodies from their owners. The famines caused by England killed millions of subjects. All of the Western touting of poverty reduction has backslid and is built on the total subjugation of billions. If you take China’s poverty alleviation numbers out of the UN total count, the backsliding in Western-held territories leaves almost nothing to speak of.
Yes, what’s happening in the West is many many many times worse than what’s happening in China, DPRK, and Ukraine. And we haven’t even talked about Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, the Berlin Conference, nuclear weapons testing in populated areas, environmental devastation by Western oil companies and the millions they kill, the must brutal embargo regimes inflicting collective punishment on hundreds of millions of innocent people for almost a century. The 600 global military bases. The predatory lending. The disgusting medical experimentation. The role of religion in all this.
And despite all of this, you still think you have a leg to stand on. And that’s the icing on the cake - the amount of Western propaganda and indoctrination that enlists little children in propagating structural racism and violent extremism from a very early age. Indoctrination so thorough that 20 years of schooling are all completely and thoroughly aligned with the violent lies that perpetuate genocide and no one bats an eye. Where all mass media reinforces the dominant narrative and when people speak up millions shout them down. Where sex is worse than violence. Where violence is so normalized that children commit mass murder in their school on a regular basis. Where you and I can have a real conversation and you think it’s somehow logical to claim that what’s happening in China is worse than what’s happening in the West.
It’s a terrifyingly powerful indoctrination, so it’s not surprising that you hold the position you do, but it is a position without a single shred of basis. It is 100% a set of false beliefs that perpetuate the centuries-long genocidal extraction and accumulation of wealth.
Go learn history. The fact that you think I’m spouting “the exact same rhetoric” is fucking mind blowing. The fact that you think this is “media inspired” leaves me completely dazed and confused. What media do you think I have access to that pushes this? You think I watch Chinese TV? Russian TV? Iranian TV? You think they have the time and inclination to put out media programs that explain 600 years of global domination by white people? Motherfucker I am studying history and have been for years now and this is literally what happened. Nothing I detailed above is media hype. It’s literally YOUR history. Go fucking learn it.
Relax dude. You let the baby out with the bathwater. What are you trying to accomplish, you really think I’m going to change my mind and NOT think you’re some nutjob with these walls of text? You do you.
Also, you haven’t changed my mind. I still think that other cultures are equally bad if not worse. I could provide examples and explain it, but it’s not like you’d listen anyway.
The fact that you shy away from reading a few paragraphs is pretty damning evidence that you have zero idea what you’re talking about because you can’t fucking read. Try podcasting about history if that’s more your speed.
Yeah, because you’re an indoctrinated liberal who grew up under the strongest propaganda the world has ever seen.
Bet you couldn’t do it without repeating state propaganda AND without accidentally repeating complete racist horseshit without even realizing it.
I’m not going to change your mind because you’re comfortable with the way things are. You’re in your privilege spot where you can say you’re the good guy and the only reason things are bad is because some people are evil. “Other cultures are just as evil as European culture, actually, some of them are even worse. Sure, Europe literally colonized 80% of the world’s population, but I bet you those other cultures would have done it if they were smart enough (but they’re not because their cultures weren’t good enough) and besides, Europe brought civilization and advanced society to these backwards people.” I’m sure you’re all about telling people how Mao caused famines that killed millions but don’t even know about the famines caused by the West, some that killed 5% of the entire population they were occupying when they decided to starve them.
You’re likely living in the US, Canada, Australia, or UK. You’re in your mid 20s and need to feel like you know what the fuck is going on. In all four of those countries every educational institution was historically organized and designed by the UK, the global hegemon before WW2, and designed explicitly to reinforce cis het male white supremacist racial capitalism.
You have no real awareness of how fucked up the European project has been. You were told Hitler was bad but never told that in Mein Kampf he wrote explicitly how he was going to copy the US system, enhance it for the European context, and attempt to dominate the Slavs the same way the US dominated the indigenous.
You were told that the US needed to bomb hundreds of thousands of civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki because otherwise the Japanese would have continued fighting, but were never told that Japan was literally at the negotiating table trying to establish the terms of surrender and when they asked for a concession the US just didn’t bother to respond and nuked them.
You were told that the famous picture from Tiananmen Square showed dead people lying on the ground when instead they were bicycles (and 4 people clearly alive) and you could see it for yourself but never bothered to look.
You were told that NATO, the defensive pact, bombed Yugoslavia without provocation to stop a genocide but were never told they dropped depleted uranium munitions in civilian centers despite not needing to pierce heavy armor and despite the generations of death that the munitions would cause (because, ya know, that’s how humanitarians do).
You are willfully ignorant. You put your fingers in your ears and scream when you see things that would violate your deeply held convictions that even though the West did bad things, it was better than the alternative, that those Asiatic hordes would have done worse (just look at what they did to their own people!), blah blah blah.
The only hope here is that you’re mid-20s and you’ll learn eventually, the same way the rest of us figured, by having your indoctrination slowly chipped away at by the brutal truth of history.