I upvoted because this message still didn’t reach everyone, but I guess it’s just that people are in denial… like, isn’t this obvious? And weren’t there already dozens of studies proving it?
Well, if everyone thinks like that nobody does anything ever… even the richest of the rich can say “it’s not because of me”, because it really isn’t. This is a man made disaster, but not by any single man. Some contribute more, others less, but the idea that only the rich polute is complete bonkers.
I think that’s the point. People don’t want to change, so they say: “I’ll change when they’ll change.” Knowing full well that it is a deadlocked situation.
Agreed, but it’s too easy to come after plebs like me and my eating habits when comparably private air flight is responsible for orders of magnitude more co2.
Me turning down my heating or eating less bacon is not going to have the kind of impact that big corporations, government, and super wealthy could have if they curbed their destructive habits.
I eat meat myself. But I reduced a lot my consumption, most people in Western countries consume far too much, even for their own health. We should consume less and better, chosing meat from sustainable farming instead of cheap meat from pastures where there should be the Amazon…
Certainly if we also stop indirect subsidies like the failure to internalize externalities. Include the climate damage caused in the price tag, and people will love a veggy curry instead.
I am a vegan bro I hate meet Because I don’t like the taste. I hate vegans trying to turn a food PREFERENCE into a snobbery high horse thing. dude eating Factory Farm Veggies is just as bad if not worse (see Monsanto)
Maybe Boop A Pipeline if you are truly morally superior
That’s nice. I’m not vegan, actually, and I encourage veganism/vegetarianism but don’t consider eating meat a moral failure.
You are making prejudice assumptions and being a bit of a dick about it which is ironic since your whole supposed complaint is some fantasy vegan that fits the stereotype in your head (probably placed there by meat industry propaganda).
Also, factory farmed veggies are obviously not as bad as the meat, that’s just you being a silly twat.
We are at (actually well past but…) the tipping point. Climate change is happening and we are going to see sea levels rise in our lifetimes (within the next decade or so, as per some studies).
Changing to clean energy is something that will take massive infrastructure changes and we needed to be doing that literally decades ago.
Eating a few less hamburgers and working on a more climate friendly diet can have impacts in as little as a quarter. If enough people even slightly shift their diets, that will lead to massive supply chain changes and shifts in demand. Which will actually make a difference. Nowhere near as big of one but one that can actually be done.
If your worldview is “nothing I do as an individual matters so I won’t do anything” then… okay. But this is literally something we can do and see change in the short term.
dude people will never change because you tell them too
if yall actually cared you would talk about the end of factory farms (which also incudes Veggies)
the corruption Comes from the system itself.
you are absolutely naive if you thing a a capitalist run Vegan Diet Enforced by Law would Help the environment
mate the cut down the rainforest to grow all kinds of food. growing Veggies with Monsanto juice literally gave millions of people cancer 🙄
I genuinely have no idea what point you are trying to make. Between your run-on sentences where you lose track of what you are trying to say multiple times to the random conspiracy theories and threat of a police state it is just… wow.
But from the one coherent bit of text in your entire post
dude people will never change because you tell them too (sic)
So you are very much in the “nothing I do as an individual matters so I won’t do anything” category. Okay. Have fun.
Vegans still care about the ban of oil and many other topics like zero waste, it is not exclusive.
Due to the current infrastructure not everyone can just stop using fossile fuel based transport, but we all can go vegan. So yes, we pick battles, those we can win now and we still fight against what we cant change as individuals.
I upvoted because this message still didn’t reach everyone, but I guess it’s just that people are in denial… like, isn’t this obvious? And weren’t there already dozens of studies proving it?
I’ll go completely meat free when the super rich go private jet free.
Well, if everyone thinks like that nobody does anything ever… even the richest of the rich can say “it’s not because of me”, because it really isn’t. This is a man made disaster, but not by any single man. Some contribute more, others less, but the idea that only the rich polute is complete bonkers.
I think that’s the point. People don’t want to change, so they say: “I’ll change when they’ll change.” Knowing full well that it is a deadlocked situation.
That’s you. That’s how dumb you sound.
Interesting comparison there. But hey, I’m not kink shaming.
Other people doing bad things doesn’t justify you doing bad things.
Agreed, but it’s too easy to come after plebs like me and my eating habits when comparably private air flight is responsible for orders of magnitude more co2.
Me turning down my heating or eating less bacon is not going to have the kind of impact that big corporations, government, and super wealthy could have if they curbed their destructive habits.
Aviation worldwide creates 2% of man made GHG, food production 25% and could be reduced by 75% with a plant based diet.
How do we hold evil corporations accountable if not refusing to give them our money?
We can do better in our own lives while advocating for bigger change.
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humans also evolved to die from cholera before the age of 3 what’s your point
so add b12 to foods, or take b12 supplements
not having children because you never wanted children isn’t an argument unless you avoided having them specifically for the climate
you’re allowed to eat meat, but can we please stop with all the limp-wristed excuses for why it’s actually morally justifiable and just own it?
You can do more than one thing to help the climate.
Sure, humans evolved to eat meat. Let’s just assume that’s correct, and you have the right interpretation of it.
But that doesn’t mean we have to.
Humans didn’t evolve to type things on a cell phone, yet here we are.
I eat meat myself. But I reduced a lot my consumption, most people in Western countries consume far too much, even for their own health. We should consume less and better, chosing meat from sustainable farming instead of cheap meat from pastures where there should be the Amazon…
We’re omnivores which means we can thrive with or without meat, B12 is simple to supplement.
people ate meat for MILLIONS OF YEARS with negligible global warming effect from the animals
vegans going start blaming the Assyrianz for inventing husbandry before blaming Exxon Mobile BP
like dude pick your battles
People did not consume the amount of meat they do today. Meat used to be a serious luxury most people couldn’t afford at all.
You should educate yourself instead of knee jerk reacting to bash on vegans.
So if we just stop subsidizing it so ridiculously it should go way down to sustainable levels then right?
Certainly if we also stop indirect subsidies like the failure to internalize externalities. Include the climate damage caused in the price tag, and people will love a veggy curry instead.
I am a vegan bro I hate meet Because I don’t like the taste. I hate vegans trying to turn a food PREFERENCE into a snobbery high horse thing. dude eating Factory Farm Veggies is just as bad if not worse (see Monsanto)
Maybe Boop A Pipeline if you are truly morally superior
That’s nice. I’m not vegan, actually, and I encourage veganism/vegetarianism but don’t consider eating meat a moral failure.
You are making prejudice assumptions and being a bit of a dick about it which is ironic since your whole supposed complaint is some fantasy vegan that fits the stereotype in your head (probably placed there by meat industry propaganda).
Also, factory farmed veggies are obviously not as bad as the meat, that’s just you being a silly twat.
your right I’m sorry
It’s alright, I do the same thing sometime. It just means you’re passionate.
I think you forgot to take your B12 supplements like a good vegan.
it’s actually extremely sad that you are correct I was so moody and angry all day. 500 calories ain’t cutting it
Veganism is not a food preference, you are not vegan.
Veganism is a stance to avoid harming non-human animals.
That’s just it. It is about picking battles.
We are at (actually well past but…) the tipping point. Climate change is happening and we are going to see sea levels rise in our lifetimes (within the next decade or so, as per some studies).
Changing to clean energy is something that will take massive infrastructure changes and we needed to be doing that literally decades ago.
Eating a few less hamburgers and working on a more climate friendly diet can have impacts in as little as a quarter. If enough people even slightly shift their diets, that will lead to massive supply chain changes and shifts in demand. Which will actually make a difference. Nowhere near as big of one but one that can actually be done.
If your worldview is “nothing I do as an individual matters so I won’t do anything” then… okay. But this is literally something we can do and see change in the short term.
dude people will never change because you tell them too if yall actually cared you would talk about the end of factory farms (which also incudes Veggies) the corruption Comes from the system itself. you are absolutely naive if you thing a a capitalist run Vegan Diet Enforced by Law would Help the environment
mate the cut down the rainforest to grow all kinds of food. growing Veggies with Monsanto juice literally gave millions of people cancer 🙄
I genuinely have no idea what point you are trying to make. Between your run-on sentences where you lose track of what you are trying to say multiple times to the random conspiracy theories and threat of a police state it is just… wow.
But from the one coherent bit of text in your entire post
So you are very much in the “nothing I do as an individual matters so I won’t do anything” category. Okay. Have fun.
You have no idea of the scale we are dealing with.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba7357
Vegans still care about the ban of oil and many other topics like zero waste, it is not exclusive.
Due to the current infrastructure not everyone can just stop using fossile fuel based transport, but we all can go vegan. So yes, we pick battles, those we can win now and we still fight against what we cant change as individuals.