• I live with my parents (both). I have job.

  • I did my share duty: I help pay family electricity/water bill, pay my brothers tution fee.

  • Currently, my salary is multiple time my living cost, so I can save more than half of my salary (no pay rent, no marry, no children)

  • My mum has a brotehr who is not financial stable. She help him (few time yearly, not one time, but yearly). She is very stress about this situation. => when she ask me and my dad to chip in, we both said nope, then ask her to give up on that money black hole. => really hurt our family relationship, because she refuse to do so.

  • That dude (my uncle) have family he has to support. If I chip in with my own salary, his children living standard will increase, they will have better future. It will cost me my spare salary (i will not able save like, 50% of my salary per month)

  • But I don’t want to waste money. That money give away is like charity that I can never get back. I don’t want to piggy back few dude on my back for years.

So, how do you think on this case.

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    Charity should be freely given. If you don’t want to, then don’t. You are not obligated to take care of people you are only tangentially related to.

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      My mum get angry with me and my dad because we refuse to chip in.

      Her idea is, … something about tie by blood … sorry bad English, dunno how to describe.

      Something that meaning you are relative, then you have to sacrifice ourself for another.

      From her perspective, we are just selfish.

      But why, i need my saving for my own future, marry, have some kid, loss job, another covid …

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        From a “ties of blood” perspective, to give a perspective your mom might understand:

        He might be tied by blood, but he is bringing dishonor and being a burden upon the entire family and lineage. He disgracea the rest of the family and all his elders and ancestors with his failure and irresponsible spending. He should be forced to work and spend less, helped by his elders, and shamed if he refuses to do so.

        Note: this isn’t something I’d recommend to anyone else, but if it helps.

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          Yes I did chip in few time before. When I do, I feel like I am obligated to do so. I am submissive. They are god asking for sacrifice.

          Then they ask more.

          I refuse, my dad already told me to not chip in long ago. But when I actually stop, I feel I had broken the chain that bind me. It like, something you have to do but you don’t want to. A binding, cause by … culture propaganda (?!).

          I am drifting from collectivism to individualism.

          Now I feel my mom is a victim. She is being leeching sooo long, and still willing to be leeching.

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        Why is he not financially stable?

        Does he not have a job? Is he blowing his paycheck on gambling? Hookers? Drugs? (Etc?).

        Would throwing cash at him even help?

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    I’m guessing here but I think you are asking this question in a cultural space that is pretty far removed from your own.

    From a super individualistic Western perspective everyone seems to be saying fuck no, cut off the rot, look after yourself.

    In many other cultures, the family unit remains extremely strong throughout life and the whole is far greater than the sum of its parts.

    I watched some Vietnamese school friends of mine go from fresh off the boat with nothing, to owning half of the businesses in their town as well as MASSIVE generational wealth that will never go away.

    They spread like a beautiful, productive fungus across their suburb by working together. First they all lived in one house, some worked, some started businesses. ALL of the money coming in paid off that house quickly, then they had two houses. Repeat the same again. Now they have 3 houses, all paid for. Now some money goes in to private schools for all the kids, university for all the kids. Now the kids are culturally obligated to contribute to the scheme with their high paying jobs as doctors and pharmacists.

    The Vietnamese bakery in the small set of local shops has now bought out the butcher and the video store, the video store has become a pharmacy owned by the first two graduated children, then they bought the grocery store and the nail salon. Then they bought more profitable businesses in town: drive-through liquor stores and tobacconists.

    We’re already talking millions of dollars per year of income. 3 houses has become 13 houses. Each Vietnamese family unit now has a house of their own and they are all paid for. The rest are rental income to add to the stack. They financially support their local temple, and they pay to bring more and more family members over who rapidly become productive members of the scheme.

    At this point, they are unstoppable and it’s all because they were prepared to work together and endure that short term pain of overcrowded shared dwellings and give 100% of their income to the cause. Now they will all live comfortable lives together and have a myriad of passive income streams. The old people are taken care of, those who fall on hard times are taken care of.

    I guess what I am saying is, on the surface it seems extremely unfair - but it sounds like you are part of a cultural support system that would absolutely catch you if you fall.

    Further still, you are not being charged any rent or living expenses. Being able to save 50% of your income is not normal for 99% of people so you are already feeling the benefit of that safety net.

    If you don’t feel like it’s for you and you want to get out of it I say that’s fine, you’re not bound to anyone. But if that is how you feel then you should immediately move out and truly go it alone.

    I’d just warn you that many Westerners see the wisdom in the system you seem to have and wish that their own family unit could be so strong and cohesive. We really can accomplish a lot more together than we can as individuals.

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    Short answer, no, you’re not married to him.

    Even when it would have been your brother, then still no, legally. Morally, maybe, when you know it will help him recover, not stay in trouble longer. (So I can understand your mother, a tad)

    I’d try to talk to your parents about it, how can you help your uncle without dumping cash in a bottemless pit, as doing so did prove not to solve the issue. (Else your mother wouldn’t have to bail him out on a yearly base)

    When you all see no way out, you could try to at least help his kids, support them with stuff they need, help them develop, eat, repair or replace goods, but no cash. Big chance cash would end up at your uncle anyway.

    It’s tough, but you’re only obliged to help your partner when married and your kids when under age, or do the best you can for direct family (parents, brother/sister or your own kids when legally independant), but within reasonable limits.

    Help primarily your mother in this situation, she is your father’s (primairy) and your (secondary) responsability, your uncle isn’t.

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    If I were in this position, I’d refuse to give any money to the uncle, but my cousins would have the most awesome birthday presents and lots of fun trips with me to help them deal with having a deadbeat dad.

    Also, while it’s clear you’re not in the US, so your laws may differ, there are trust funds you can set up for the kids that the uncle can’t touch - and if they’re young, it could be a lot of money for them when it matures at a minimal cost to you. Grandparents who want to support their grandchildren often do this when the parents can’t be trusted with money due to addiction or criminal behavior. Another option to support the kids would be to take out a life insurance policy on the uncle in the kids name - there are a couple of variations that allow the kids to borrow against the value of the policy before he dies once they come of age.

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    You are not obligated, no, it is entirely up to you. Of course there will be consequences of not giving money, just as their will be consequences of giving money. You have to weigh one against the other to determine which will have the outcome you want most. Less cost but angry mother, or happy mother but higher cost. Helping uncle’s family but stressing your own finances, vs not helping your uncle’s family but not stressing your own finances.

    I think there are also some other factors you could consider. Is your uncle’s financial situation something that he got himself into and could have avoided or could get himself out of by making better decisions, or is it an unfortunate situation outside of his control that he is struggling with through no fault of his own? Is there a way you can help him become more financially stable in the future so he no longer needs help, or would it be an endless cycle that ultimately wouldn’t do either party any good and would just allow the problem to persist indefinitely? Does your uncle need an intervention of sorts, or does he just need enough support to get back on his feet? Are there financial institutions or other forms of official aid that can offer him support and options so that you don’t need to step in? Can you possibly help him find a higher income job so he can support himself, instead of just offering money? If your uncle is just bad with money, can he be taught how to better save? Could he benefit from a financial advisor? Etc, etc.

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    I don’t even know if there is a country where you are obligated to financially support a parent or even a brother under any circumstance.

    If you support a parent or a direct sibling, it is only because you want to do it and, as others have said, should be done only if it’s financially possible for you without sacrificing your wellbeing, decent living condition and future.

    My dad left my mom when I was around 6 years old (I’m in my early 30 now), that person is just related with me by “blood” but he never supported me or my mom financially or in any other way. If he came to me now asking for any type of help, I would refuse without question. On the other hand, I owe everything I am to my mother, she sacrificed everything to give me the best path she could by herself. She is now close to retirement and in my country there is no way to live off savings or pension due to very hi inflation, so I will support her from that point forward in every way I can, but this is only because I feel that doing so is a way to be grateful of her taking care of me on her own and I want to give her back now that I’m able to.

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    I’d say no. You are not your mother’s brother’s keeper. Now, if you want ease your your mind, or try to repair the damaged relationship. Or to give this guy a chance to improve his situation, you could offer to pay off the loan as a one time only, never again, doesn’t matter if they become homeless or will starve to death thing. But don’t give them money to pay it off, you go with them to the loan place and pay it off directly. Then you can say you gave them a chance to turn things around, it’s up to them at that point what they do. We all make mistakes, and sometimes need a hand to get out from under a bad situation. But if we keep putting ourselves into the fire, at some point we deserve the burns.

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      That one time loan is about my saving in 5 years. Yeah, I can pay once, but only once then I have nothing left.

      I am afaid he mess up again, then our problem back from begining.

      About the “keeper” thing, I feel that my uncle are parasite my mother. I want her to get out, and forget all the stress about money. But i cannot save her from him.

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        Yes, then back to my original thought, No. You are not obligated in anyway for the financial support of anyone besides yourself. This may cause anger in others, like your mother for example. But at the end of the day, being angry is her problem, not yours. The choice is simple when broken down to it’s most basic levels. You help, throwing away money that has next to zero chance of ever coming back to you or really fixing the issues. And, your mother won’t be angry with you. Or you don’t, keeping your money and angering your mother. Do you care more about the money, or your mom being angry is the question. In all honesty, depending on your age, might be easier to just move out and get your own place if you have good enough financials to do so, and are of legal age. I wish you luck, I had to tell my drug addict sister no to giving her money I knew she would spend on more drugs. She hasn’t spoke to me since, and that was nearly 25 years ago.

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    Perhaps what i neeed is a brainwash method, not money.

    I don’t thing money can solve the problem.

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    How is he not financially stable? Does he work a low wage, spend beyond his means, etc? Id base my decision off of that. If he’s making decent money but spending it all maybe I’d help with building a budget and evaluating expenses to see where all the money is going. If a low age maybe helping update his resume and looking for a better paying job that matches his skillsets

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    You are under ZERO obligation.

    Ideally, since you have an income and still live with your parents, it would be good of you to contribute to household costs, water, garbage, electricity, internet, rent, fuel, groceries, that sort of thing.

    Things you consume. You aren’t obligated to, but it would be good to contribute.

    Anything else? Deadbeat Uncle? Nope! Hard nope! I’d move out first.

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    I wouldn‘t, but I also don‘t care if my family dislike me. So if you want to not pay for the uncle, you probably should move out first. Then you can be free from the likely negative social consequences coming your way. Though maybe if your dad is the one in charge, you can live there AND not pay. I‘d talk to your father on it first anyway and see how he thinks.

    Cause moving out also means paying rent, so less money for savings too. So overall, is it cheaper to pay and keep the peace with family or cheaper to pay rent? Or can you get out of it somehow by teaming up with your dad? I‘d think on all that and whatever feels best to you, that is what you do.