…Initial evidence suggests that, in a rematch between Biden and Trump, a No Labels and/or West campaign could pull marginal support from Biden and subtly shift the election toward Trump. Whether this would actually make for a potential spoiler, though, is a different question: History — and common sense — suggest that these possible third-party candidates would be most likely to affect the outcome if the overall race were close. But in our deeply divided political era, close elections have been the norm, which makes a spoiler candidacy a live possibility…
We hear this literally every election
Idk, Trump has just seemed…different, he seems to rally a user base that just didn’t seem to exist before. It’s scary to me how he can drum up the support he has.
All I saw were legions of already existing fascists, nationalists, and other bigots feeling like society was “finally” on “their” side. Growing up in rural America, I didn’t feel like Trump rallied a userbase that didn’t exist before, but rather he rallied them in the way they’ve been wanting to get rallied since they lost Jim Crow laws.
About 30% of the United States wishes the Civil War ended differently and always has…
I disagree, Trump attracts the same group as Ross Perot did, and as Reagan did, and despite different policies I think in the same way Huey Long did. Trump’s core proposition was attacking the “deep state” something that has long drawn the ire of many Americans(whether it exists or not).
Because they don’t want people thinking the system can ever change
Worked for Perot… why couldn’t it work again? No labels is well-funded and poised to be a spoiler
Because they changed the rules specifically as a result of Perot
Kanye had ballot access in almost every state in 2020. The only rule change is around someone who declared to be in a partisan primary. No Labels would not run anyone like that
Colorado, Minnesota, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Utah, Idaho, Iowa, Tennessee, Vermont and Mississippi
12 states is not MOST states. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West_2020_presidential_campaign
This possibility is exactly why we need a Democrat who isn’t just a “not Trump” candidate.
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Right but like, who determined this? Oh thats right, unelected party officials who feel that a sitting president is “entitled” to run again.
Plus, this ignores that at the time, some of the people pushing for Biden in 2020 even said that he was supposed to “right the ship” so that “someone younger” could take the reigns in 4 years. It was literally one of the counterpoints to those of us who opposed his nomination then for this exact reasoning, that once in office he’d feel entitled to running for re-election because that’s what a sitting president does.
It’s the same sort of dynastic political thinking that you see in local party politics where their kids who went to school for politics are basically groomed by the party establishment to replace them.
In practice it doesn’t work that way. There’s as much chance a Green elevation is going to work against Trump. People in Republican states aren’t going to vote for Biden, but they might be persuaded to vote for Green candidates over Earth conservation issues. Farmers and hunters can usually see green problems despite not being able to see progressive issues.
Some of the greatest conservationists in the world have come from hunting groups that have become disillusioned by the loss of game to aggressive corporations and destructive hunting practices. Similarly farmers see the breakdown of the ecosystem.
None of this needs to involve liberal and Democrat viewpoints.
Per OP, the concern is more about a No Labels-funded candidate. It’s Perot all over again. Clinton won by 6%. Perot got 20%
In other words… in practice, it worked that way in recent history
Generally Libertarian party voters have more overlap with Republicans, and Green party voters have more overlap with Democrats. Both run in most elections.
This is common in First Past the Post voting structures. CGP Gray does a great video to explain this.
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Isn’t it interesting that this part never factors into the discussion? Its always brought up that third party candidates spoil votes for the more popular candidate, but only so far as “and that’s why you need to vote BLUE”
The Democratic establishment doesn’t want to fix this issue. They want to be able to coerce people into voting for them out of fear of the ever more openly fascist GOP.
Spoiler candidates is a reality because of fptp.
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I agree that this is why major parties oppose ranked choice. The problem is that until we find a way to get ranked choice, they are right.
Russia is helping 3rd party candidates in order to sway voter away from one of the major parties to influence elections.
I hate to say this, but they went all out for Bernie. I volunteered a ton of my time for the guy, especially in 2016, but it’s clear that Russia wants spoilers.
But the real threat in ‘24 is a Perot-style candidate. No Labels wont disclose their donors. Their court washed-up dems at their events, while getting money from dark money (probably republicans).
I wanted to vote for “Deez nutz” in 2016. They wouldn’t put him on the ticket, because he was underage. We all know Hillary wouldn’t debate “Deez Nutz.”
That’s why they exist!
One day the US will have ranked choice voting and this will still being a threat to vote for the two major parties every election
that’s why we won’t have ranked choice voting. Right now, the status quo benefits both the major parties.
Everyone is all over the comments saying it’s not gonna happen…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_presidential_election
Perot got 19% of the vote. Clinton won by 6.5%. Ross Perot is the reason Clinton won
