Over the past half year or so, I have been using two cornes as my main drivers. One at home, the other at my workplace office. I tried four different kinds of switches. I’d like to share how I feel about them.

The switches are:

  • Kailh choc v1 pink (linear, 20 gf)
  • Kailh choc v1 white (clicky, 50 gf)
  • Kailh choc sunset (tactile, 40 gf)
  • Kailh choc v2 brown (tactile, 55 gf)

I used all of them with hot-swap adapters, so they just sit directly on the PCB. No case, no top plate. I attached a piece of children’s sponge rubber to the bottom of the PCB to protect the diodes.

For those unfamiliar with it, trampolining is a modification of the switch where you take the switch apart and insert a small object into the tube of the switch’s stem, preventing the switch from being pressed all the way down.

Kailh Choc v1 Pink

These switches are way too easy to press by accident, either by just resting my hands on the keyboard, or not correctly hitting the center of a switch, touching a neigbour switch.

When you start to push them down, as soon as they leave their resting position, they become very wobbly and shaky, not moving down in a guided, straight line. This, combined with the low switch force, makes a horrible typing experience. I made many typing mistakes, just because of how mushy the keys feel. I used them for two days, and put them back in the box. Praise the hot-swap sockets.

Kailh Choc v1 White

They have some pre-travel before a slight tactile bump, and the click happens just after the the tactile bump. After the click, there is almost no post-travel until they bottom out. I like my switches with as little pre-travel as possible, so theoretically I shouldn’t like them. The tactile feeling, combined with the click feels and sounds good though, they feel responsive and springy.

My problem with these switches is that the actuation point is before the tactile bump, so if you press them only slightly, they actuate without bump or click. Typing on these switches requires a certain sense of passion, every keypress should be a continuous, swingful movement all the way over the click.

Trampolining is not possible, becasue there is not much post-travel after the click.

Both at home and at work, I’m sharing my office with others, so unfortunately clicky switches are a no-go for me, because of the noise they make. I used them for a day at home, liked the feel, but they have too much travel overall, can’t be modded, and are too noisy.

Kailh Choc Sunset

These switches have no pre-travel before the tactile bump, the tactile bump starts exactly at the switch’s rest position. This feels really great. There is some post-travel after the tactile bump until they bottom out. Trampolining is possible.

I trampolined the switches with 1 mm ceramic mill balls. My sister got a sampler of such balls at an exibition, and was kind enough to give them to me. 1 mm reduction of the post-travel is not enough, there is still too much post-travel for my liking. Bottoming out on ceramic feels a bit harsh, but at the same time crisp and defined. The sampler also included 2 mm balls, but those don’t fit in the stem holes of the keys.

My biggest gripe with the sunsets however, and this is a bit hard to discribe, is how scratchy they feel. It is as if the tactile bump itself is not an entirely smooth hill, but there is an ever so slight roughness to it. Maybe comparable to swiping over a mirror with a wet finger. It just feels a bit off. The roughness can be felt both on the way down, and on the way up. The switches came factory-lubed, you can see the lube shining on the stem. Not sure if it has anything to do with the lube.

I have been using the switches for about half a year now. They are much better than the pinks and whites, but definitely not my endgame.

Kailh Choc v2 Brown

This is endgame material. Just like the sunsets, the tactile bump starts all the way up at the switch’s resting position. Contrary to the sunsets, the tactile bump is smooth and satisfying. The switches activate just after the hardest point of the bump, but before the bump is completely over, exactly how it should be. After the bump there is quite some post-travel until bottom-out. These are by far my favourite switches of the batch I bought, especially with trampolining.

The biggest problem with these switches is finding the right keycaps. Since the switches are lower than reguler MXs, standard MX keycaps tend to touch the switch housing. I have two sets of keycaps, one a bit larger than the other. The larger ones go over the switch housing, but just barely. While pressing a key, the inner wall of the keycap scratches along the switch housing. That’s a very unpleasant experience. The smaller keycaps don’t scratch like that, instead they hit the small black rim of the lower half of the switch housing. That happens after the bump, and doesn’t feel too bad.

I tried to trampoline them in two ways, with the 1 mm ceramic balls, and with small sections cut from rubber o-rings. The o-rings were included as dampeners with one of the keycap sets. Again, the ceramic balls are a little bit too small to reduce the post-travel in a meaningful way. With the rubber pieces you are more flexible in how much travel you want to reduce. I made them long enough that the switch bottoms out just after the tactile bump. Sometimes I made the piece too large, preventing the switch from actuating. This is easily fixed though, by taking the rubber piece out and cutting a thin slice off of it with a sharp knife.

Modded like this, both sets of keycaps don’t touch the switch housing anymore, the switches bottom out just after the tactile bump, before the walls of the keycaps come near the housing.

I tried some other materials for trampolining, but none of them worked properly. The sponge rubber I used as bottom layer for my cornes is too soft to stop the key. Bamboo toothpick tips didn’t cut off cleanly and splintered in unusable pieces. Some floral wire I had was too thin.

Rubber o-rings are the way to go. They create a very pleasant rubbery bottom-out feeling. On the pictures you can see the bigger keycaps. The left key has no trampoline and no o-rings. The middle key has a trampoline and three o-rings. The right switch has a trampoline but no o-rings. There is no difference between no o-rings and two o-rings. Only with three o-rings there is a difference. The middle key sits a bit higher than the right key, but the overall travel distance and bottom-out feeling is the same, and is entirely determined by the trampoline. You can see that neither of them goes over the black rim of the switch housing, while the left key goes over the switch housing when pressed.

  • user42212@lemmy.worldOP
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    1 year ago

    By the way, the click in the Kailh v1 whites is removable. When you open them, there is a small spring at the back of the stem, opposite side of the actuation feather. You can remove it very easily, and you have linears.

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      1 year ago

      Good to know, although in that case wouldn’t I be better off picking from the many linear options already available? Sorry, genuinely asking, not sure if I’m missing some context behind that advice.

      I like clicky keys. I like the feedback, but the inconsistency in relationship between the click and actual actuation in the v1 whites annoyed me. I first thought it was maybe just a bad batch of keys but after learning more about the actual click mechanisms and the general tolerances required it seemed like an inevitable flaw in the design?