Awesome to see a Socionics-dedicated slice here on lemmygrad. Does anyone know of other socionics or jungian-typology-focused slices on other instances?
Also, what with the war raging between the very two countries in which Socionics are most well-established, does anyone know how the conflict has affected the socionics community and institutes in Ukraine and Russia?
EII here btw.
I’ve never managed to figure out socionics. Dug the deepest into Jungian cognitive functions and, from that perspective, socionics is a field of mystery where all the labels make no more sense ;)
I see. I don’t feel like I’m in a good position to comment on the discrepancies between the cognitive functions or “information metabolism elements” as they’re referred to in socionics and the original Jungian functions since I’m really only quite familiar with the former. Socionics has 8 IM elements, like MBTI has 8 cognitive functions (though they differ somewhat in definition between the models).
If I’ve understood what little I know about Jung’s original view correctly, he mostly thinks in terms of just 4 functions, namely thinking, feeling, intuition and sensing. Does that seem correct to you?
So cognitive function isn’t MBTI, which is vast simplification and is basically like astrology. The MBTI is too rigid, there is no flexibility in the system (actually, it doesn’t really contain any system per se) apart from 16 stereotypes.
Jung himself didn’t really delve too deeply into each cognitive function in his original writings, I believe. He was merely describing people that he observed during his work, which he organized into four types of people: a Feeling type person, a Thinking type person, etc. Cognitive functions, and how they systemically interact with one another, evolved from Jung’s writings to address what each cognitive function is and how they interact together systemically with one another, to best model how a human being might operate mentally to understand and navigate the world.
There are indeed only four cognitive functions (Judgment functions of Thinking, Feeling; perceiving functions of Sensing, Intuition), each with two kinds of orientation (inwards or outwards: e.g. Extroverted Thinking, Introverted Thinking). If oriented inwards, the function works in an introspective and subjective way; if oriented outwards, then outwards from the self, looking into the external world, more “objective”, less idiosyncratic.
For each person, the idea is there must be a primary perception function and a primarily judgment function that work in tandem, always oriented in opposite directions. For example, if person X has a dominant cognitive function of Extraverted Sensation–they are maximally geared towards perceiving physical phenomena and information objectively, without any preconditions or filter–then it makes sense that the next function must inevitably be a judgment function oriented inwards (say, Introverted Feeling), to sort through all the raw information X accumulates in bulk, process them so X can form a subjective understanding of the world and how it works, how X feels about it, etc. In cognitive function, X would be an Extraverted Sensation Introverted Feeling person, or SeFi, or ESFP in MBTI lingo.
The system further assumes that X must also have an INTROVERTED sensing function (to manage their subjective, filtered, perceptions) and an EXTRAVERTED judgment function (to execute decisionmaking into the world), at lower dominance/level of consciousness and complemental to the other two. So the full cognitive expression for the ESFP would be (Extraverted Sensation) then (Introverted Feeling) then (Extraverted Thinking) then (Introverted Intuition) = Se Fi Te Ii
Oops I wrote too much ! 😅
As for the war, no one is communicating with the Russians, as far as I know, that’s clearly the case. Ukrainian socionics is gradually getting translations into Ukrainian (e.g. Eglit’s book), and is also reorienting towards using some data from Western research, as I heard and saw at the last socionics conference in Kyiv.
