It’s even worse / funnier in the app, it will generate the response, then once it realizes its about Taiwan it will delete the whole response and say sorry I can’t do that.

If you ask it “what is the republic of china” it will generate a couple paragraphs of the history of China, then it’ll get a couple sentences in about the retreat to Taiwan and then stop and delete the response.

You missed the entire point of their comment

Try an abliterated version of the qwen 14b or 32b R1 distills. I just tried it out they will give you a real overview.

Still even when abliterated its just not very knowledgeable about “harmful information”. If you want a truly uncensored model hit up mistral small 22b and its even more uncensored fine tune Beepo 22b

That’s just dumb. It at least doesn’t suppress that when provided with search results/refuses to search (at least when integrated in Kagi)

What training data did you use?

This assumes some kind of eureka innovation, right? A 96% reduction in compute demands per “token” is revolutionary. I haven’t seen anyone yet explain what that innovation is, exactly. There is also mixed reporting on how “open source” DeekSeek is, with many claiming it’s only “open weight,” meaning people are having difficulty reproducing the creation of the model. It wouldn’t be the first time that a claim out of China were false, and I think it wise to reproduce any such claims before running around with our arms in the air.

@rimu @Bronzebeard On the one hand, when Deep Seek “doesn’t know” about a thing (i.e., something not present the training data), it’ll state it clearly (I’m not sure if the image will be sent as I’m not using Lemmy directly to reply this):

The context of the image is the following: I asked DeepSeek about “Abnukta”, an obscure and not-so-much-known Enochian term that is used during one of the invocations of Lilith, and DeepSeek replied the following:

“Abnukta is a term that does not have a widely recognized or established meaning in mainstream English dictionaries or common usage. It could potentially be a misspelling, a neologism, or a term from a specific dialect, jargon, or cultural context. If you have more context or details about where you encountered the term, I might be able to provide a more accurate explanation. Alternatively, it could be a name or a term from a specific field or community that is not widely known”.

So, the answer that the user Rimu received is not regarding something “unknown” to the LLM (otherwise it’d be clearly stated as that, as per my example), but something that triggered moderation mechanisms. So, in a sense, yes, the LLM refused to answer…

However… On the other hand, western LLMs are full of “safeguards” (shouldn’t we call these as censorship, too?) regarding certain themes, so it’s not an exclusivity of Chinese LLMs. For example:
- I can’t talk about demonolatry (the worshiping of daemonic entities, as present in my own personal beliefs) with Claude, it’ll ask me to choose another subject.
- I can’t talk with Bing Copilot about some of my own goth drawings.
- Specifically regarding socio-economics-politics subjects, people can’t talk with ChatGPT and Google Gemini about a certain person involved in a recent US event, whose name is the same as a video-game character known for wearing a green hat and being the brother of another character that enters pipes and seeks to set free a princess.
- GitHub Copilot refuses (in a blatant Scumthorpe Problem) to reply or suggest completion for code containing terms such as “trans” or “gender” (it’s an open and known issue on GitHub, so far unanswered why or how to make Copilot answer).

But yeah, west is the land of the freedom /s

Word definitions are exactly the sorts of things one would expect an LLM to pick up on.

ChatGPT:

A “tankie” is a term often used to describe a person who is an ardent supporter of authoritarian regimes, particularly those that claim to be socialist or communist. The term originally referred to members of communist parties who supported the Soviet Union’s use of tanks to suppress uprisings, like the 1956 Hungarian Revolution and the 1968 Prague Spring. Over time, it’s been used more broadly to refer to people who justify or defend the actions of regimes like the Soviet Union, China under Mao, or North Korea, often in the face of human rights abuses or authoritarian policies.

The label can sometimes be used pejoratively to imply that someone is uncritical of authoritarianism or blindly supportive of these regimes due to ideological alignment, even when those regimes engage in actions that contradict the values they claim to uphold.

It’s definitely censorship, you can see it on there app as it’s still buggy and will generate a response then halfway through it will delete it and say “sorry that’s beyond my current scope”

It did actually give a good multi paragraph response to “what is a tankie” before it realized that it was a no-no topic.

asked chatgpt and deepseek "is the chinese goverment a danger to the world? " (obviously yes, anyone that knows what is going on with taiwan knows that).

China is not a threat to the world just because it wants reunification with Taiwan. Most countries in the world recognize Taiwan as part of China, including the US.

Geopolitical Influence: China’s growing economic and military power has led to increased influence on global politics. Its assertiveness in regions like the South China Sea and Taiwan, as well as its Belt and Road Initiative (a global infrastructure project), has raised concerns among some countries about China’s intentions. Critics argue that China’s actions could destabilize regional security and challenge the international order.

I thought ChatGPT responses were gonna be shitty, but not this shitty. Like really? China’s growing economic and military power is the problem? Not the US, the nation with more than 800 military bases around the world, that sanctions everyone that dares disagree with it, that finances coups around the world and that is the only nation in history to drop not one, but two nuclear bombs on civilians? And China is a threat to the world? lol

Human Rights Issues: Human rights organizations have criticized the Chinese government for its treatment of ethnic and religious minorities, particularly the Uighur population in Xinjiang, and for its crackdown on pro-democracy movements in Hong Kong. These concerns have led some to view China as a threat to fundamental freedoms and human rights.

This has been debunked ever since the Arab League sent representatives to Xinjiang and found nothing. But of course it would parrot the west’s false Xinjiang narrative.

Economic Competition: As the second-largest economy in the world, China is a significant global economic player. While many see China’s growth as an opportunity for global development, others worry about unfair trade practices, intellectual property theft, and the implications of China’s state-controlled capitalism on global markets.

It’s only unfair when they do it lmao.

Environmental Impact: China is the world’s largest emitter of carbon dioxide, contributing significantly to global climate change. Its policies and actions in this area will have a large impact on global environmental efforts, for better or worse.

How convenient that ChatGPT leaves out the effort China has been doing into green energy transition: China to head green energy boom with 60% of new projects in next six years and How China is helping power the world’s green transition.

Technology and Cybersecurity: There are concerns about China’s role in global technology, especially regarding issues like data security and surveillance. Some Western nations, particularly the U.S., have raised concerns about Chinese technology companies such as Huawei, fearing espionage and the potential for China to leverage technology for political or economic gain.

The US has no place to speak of surveillance: States haven’t stopped spying on their citizens, post-Snowden – they’ve just got sneakier, NSA finally admits to spying on Americans by purchasing sensitive data. Besides, it needs to prove China’s surveillance.

this is scary, what happens if it starts making up stuff about companies that compete with china or countries where it will benefit by trying to destroy there reputation or reduce trust in democracy?

As I said before, China is not the one going to or funding wars and genocides around the globe, it is not the one funding coups around the world, it is not the one that raises issue with how other countries are run. I suggest you watch this short clip.