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There’s no need to treat others with disrespect when you are having a discussion. In fact you make points better when treating others with respect, compassion and kindness.
Civility politics and tone policing are forms of systemic opression that silence the rightful anger of marginalized groups and those who are understandably pissed off by the inhumanity and cruelty of the status quo. Remaining calm at the sight of the world we live in, treating those who violently exterminate people with respect and compassion, telling people who are tortured with injustice every day to maintain a straight face, these are atrocities in themselves. Your ability to remain kind in this system betrays your privilege, your lack of compassion, your ignorance and your total lack of actual principles.
Or, if you do not understand jargon and need to this to be put more plainly: Fuck off, you bloodless nazi apologist.
Civility politics and tone policing are forms of systemic opression that silence the rightful anger of marginalized groups and those who are understandably pissed off by the inhumanity and cruelty of the status quo.
I’ve come to the conclusion after lifetime of trying to remain civil when dealing with reactionaries the responsibility is on them to not be reactionary and it’s not my job to fix them. My job is to keep myself and others safe through any means necessary.
White people are constantly expecting us to fix their friends and relatives or not rock the boat. They never speak up for our side, even when it’s as simple as “Hey you’re coming off as racist.”
If someone is seriously trying to pull this shit where the US government foreign policy doesn’t have a continuity AT ALL they’re just being a smirking asshole
the argument was over the second they got exactly what they were asking for in terms of citation and turned around and shit on the chessboard
Fuck You tone policing me. I called them unserious.
In fact you make points better when treating others with respect, compassion and kindness.
Seriously, fuck you. I was only uncivil when I told them off for threatening me. Don’t fucking lecture me.
Do you think forcing yourself to put of a mask of nonchalance in the face of apocalyptic evil somehow helps you see more clearly? Or have you just been so thoroughly domesticated that the idea of biting the hand that strangles is simply beyond your rationale?
It stops being a “discussion” when one side ignores evidence and arguments that illustrate the answers to their questions. The rule says “Engage in good-faith and with respect!” so the civility rule was broken by the mod before AntiOutsideAktion called the mod names.
Kindness doesn’t fix idiots. Respect is earned. Bullying works. If people aren’t called stupid for saying stupid things they will keep saying stupid things until they become stupid people. Being kind and civil is just enabling stupid people to have stupid ideas and stupid ideas can become dangerous easily.
Propping up a fascist government with money enabling it to force more involuntary conscripts to die in the hopes that someone will come save them when nobody will is a fucking stupid idea. That stupid idea is getting men killed as we speak and “civility” was a big part of how we got here. If Putin had been less civil and invaded the moment he realized ukraine had been taken over by nazis, the nazis wouldn’t have had 9 years to train. Instead Putin tried to negotiate with nato and ukraine and they lied to him and built up their army and prepared to ethnic cleanse Donbas.
Maybe another mod can give me their opinion. I don’t believe it matters when it’s an instance that’s been downright hostile to Hexbear from the beginning. Can anyone help me out with this one?
Not a mod, but fuck that; we don’t approach the opps on some Jesus Christ kumbaya shit regardless of where we are. If the opp’s a known hostile why the fuck would you treat them like it’s all sweet?
Sorry I’m old, and I don’t know the meaning of what you said.
The poster above reported for posting about a mod in another instance. I’m still trying to do my best with limited experience. I should probably get on the Hexbear matrix already.
I have never seen that rule enforced in the dunk tank for lemmy.world. So my assumtion would be its only for federated sites but Im not a mod so its your call.
You could try to dm/ping one of the dunk tank mods if you need more advice? But I doubt leaving this up will upset anyone we as a site particularly care about.
You did fail to follow rule 5 of that community
There’s no need to treat others with disrespect when you are having a discussion. In fact you make points better when treating others with respect, compassion and kindness.
I know doxing is against the rules but idgaf:
Civility is for losers. Fascists deserve no respect.
Civility politics and tone policing are forms of systemic opression that silence the rightful anger of marginalized groups and those who are understandably pissed off by the inhumanity and cruelty of the status quo. Remaining calm at the sight of the world we live in, treating those who violently exterminate people with respect and compassion, telling people who are tortured with injustice every day to maintain a straight face, these are atrocities in themselves. Your ability to remain kind in this system betrays your privilege, your lack of compassion, your ignorance and your total lack of actual principles.
Or, if you do not understand jargon and need to this to be put more plainly: Fuck off, you bloodless nazi apologist.
This is the one.
Tone cops are still cops.
I’ve come to the conclusion after lifetime of trying to remain civil when dealing with reactionaries the responsibility is on them to not be reactionary and it’s not my job to fix them. My job is to keep myself and others safe through any means necessary.
White people are constantly expecting us to fix their friends and relatives or not rock the boat. They never speak up for our side, even when it’s as simple as “Hey you’re coming off as racist.”
You said it perfectly: Nazi punks fuck off.
Shut up nerd
shut up nerd
If someone is seriously trying to pull this shit where the US government foreign policy doesn’t have a continuity AT ALL they’re just being a smirking asshole
the argument was over the second they got exactly what they were asking for in terms of citation and turned around and shit on the chessboard
Fuck You tone policing me. I called them unserious.
Seriously, fuck you. I was only uncivil when I told them off for threatening me. Don’t fucking lecture me.
Do you think acting so aggressively towards me is making me take your words more favourably?
why do you think random internet strangers would care about your approval
Who even are you
The fascists will still kill you if you’re nice to them.
starts criticizing Hitler while in line for the gas chamber
This guy: “Shhh! You’re gonna cause a scene!”
Do you think forcing yourself to put of a mask of nonchalance in the face of apocalyptic evil somehow helps you see more clearly? Or have you just been so thoroughly domesticated that the idea of biting the hand that strangles is simply beyond your rationale?
Does it matter if you take them favorably? I think it’s pretty clear that online arguments don’t change the mind of the person you’re arguing with.
I really don’t give a shit.
Okay that’s not true. I’d like you to reread that last bit. Please and thank you.
Ok, have a nice day.
nobody had hope for your improvement in the first place.
Pissbaby
Flying Squid breaks Rule 5 all the time, that’s more of a vibe rule the mods use to censor opinions they don’t like over on Lemmy.world.
So many instances of it not being used, they get more angry at people reporting all the uncivil shit than the actual uncivil content
Yep. It’s peak liberalism, they keep rules to selectively enforce yet pretend they are tolerant.
Then get mad when pointing it out.
I like to let the mods flounder on themselves and convince libs that I’m in the right. Let them do my battles for me.
It stops being a “discussion” when one side ignores evidence and arguments that illustrate the answers to their questions. The rule says “Engage in good-faith and with respect!” so the civility rule was broken by the mod before AntiOutsideAktion called the mod names.
Kindness doesn’t fix idiots. Respect is earned. Bullying works. If people aren’t called stupid for saying stupid things they will keep saying stupid things until they become stupid people. Being kind and civil is just enabling stupid people to have stupid ideas and stupid ideas can become dangerous easily.
Propping up a fascist government with money enabling it to force more involuntary conscripts to die in the hopes that someone will come save them when nobody will is a fucking stupid idea. That stupid idea is getting men killed as we speak and “civility” was a big part of how we got here. If Putin had been less civil and invaded the moment he realized ukraine had been taken over by nazis, the nazis wouldn’t have had 9 years to train. Instead Putin tried to negotiate with nato and ukraine and they lied to him and built up their army and prepared to ethnic cleanse Donbas.
What we think of as civility is a tool of social control to set “acceptable” limits on discourse that might threaten the powerful
Cry harder lib
We have similar rules here at Hexbear
Maybe another mod can give me their opinion. I don’t believe it matters when it’s an instance that’s been downright hostile to Hexbear from the beginning. Can anyone help me out with this one?Not a mod, but fuck that; we don’t approach the opps on some Jesus Christ kumbaya shit regardless of where we are. If the opp’s a known hostile why the fuck would you treat them like it’s all sweet?
Sorry I’m old, and I don’t know the meaning of what you said.The poster above reported for posting about a mod in another instance. I’m still trying to do my best with limited experience. I should probably get on the Hexbear matrix already.Basically, “civility to the civil and honestly fuck everybody else; especially the people we know aren’t civil.”
I swear to god, I don’t know what you’re getting at. I was replying regarding his rule 7 report, not the civility thing.I’m tired as hell, not messing with you.I know this is not supposed to be funny but my god I’m this old and relate hard.
I have never seen that rule enforced in the dunk tank for lemmy.world. So my assumtion would be its only for federated sites but Im not a mod so its your call.
That sounds about right. Thanks.
You could try to dm/ping one of the dunk tank mods if you need more advice? But I doubt leaving this up will upset anyone we as a site particularly care about.