Also between this and knowing he ate cottage cheese with canned pineapple or ketchup has me conflicted on this dweebish monster

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    I’d disagree somewhat, I think there would be a distinct possibility that many Greeks would migrate into the colonial city-states their respective home cities formed on the southern Italian peninsula and strengthened the Greek foothold to the point they could more strongly rebuff the later attempts of Dionysius I of Syracuse to create a kingdom, but there also exists a distinct possibility that Dionysius could possibly instead focus his conquests on the peninsula moreso than his vainglorious attempts at fucking around in Greece and and soon after finding out.

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      Italiote historiography is pretty sparse, it’s hard to imagine what ‘more’ Greek immigration looks like without any idea how much was happening irl. but they’d need to federate either under a Syracusan domination or the Italiote League to matter much more than they did and have a chance to rebuff the italians (principally romans). simply more greeks living in that bunch of back-stabbing cities don’t seem like they’d pose much more significant of a threat

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        Well you’d have to think about the fact that in the time span of a theoretical victory of the Persian empire over the Greek city states and its aftereffects shortly after would roughly coincide with both the period of plebeian unrest against the patricians and the Celtic raids into the peninsula. A federated italiote league of the magna graecians or possibly more likely Syracusian league/kingdom would have a much easier time securing southern Italy and possibly putting a wet blanket on Roman expansion.

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          Syracuse strikes me as the most ambitious and proactive, if greeks refugees are used to explain a triumph over carthage and final domination of sicily, then they could snake up the boot in time to meet the romans or samnites as they were developing, and have good odds against them. unless some dorkass like dionysius still tries fighting in mainland Greece. or taking armies to africa to pursue the carthaginians. agony-yehaw

          this is a really fun setting, that paradox Imperator game is close, the final dlc for Rome II total war ‘Rise of the Republic’ is also pretty close

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            the boot in time to meet the romans or samnites as they were developing, and have good odds against them.

            I think unless they stuck to being wine drinking coastal elitists, they’d have a tough time chewing on the Lucanians for a long time, but I think there could’ve been an angle at trying to use Rome’s Latin neighbors as footholds to come in via the sea and wage a proper campaign.

            unless some dorkass like dionysius still tries fighting in mainland Greece. or taking armies to africa to pursue the carthaginians.

            Honestly would be a completely absurd move to try and take the fight to Carthage proper even if a lot of their armies were tied up in managing their growing little kingdom with keeping the peace among the slowly integrating Libiyan tribes. Such a foolish campaign could’ve caused a power vacuum with the fall of Syracuse and lead to an earlier carthaginian hegemony over the Mediterranean before the romans could ever really take off and start their imperial republic