It really doesn’t, the cutoffs for testorone are fairly low and an actual problem for women with, say, PCOS. It also shows that transphobes do not understand biology beyond a third grade level, because elevated testosterone has fuckall to do with a woman having XY chromosomes, not to mention that a cis woman with XY chromosomes will most likely have some form of androgen insensitivity which would mean that you could dump as much testosterone into her body as possible before it just gets converted into estrogen and it still wouldn’t have a performance-enhancing effect because testosterone just doesn’t work on these people. That’s why they have a female phenotype in spite of the XY kariotype.
Not that it matters, nobody did a karyogram on her. We just don’t know what her kariotype is, and even if it was XY, it would be irrelevant in regards to her athletic performance, as outlined above.
Yeah like testosterone means fuck all because women have testosterone… it’s how they get all their estrogen lmao
a cis woman with XY chromosomes will most likely have some form of androgen insensitivity
cishet dude brain over here but this confuses me, wouldn’t this person be intersex and not a “cis” woman? I’m familiar with CAIS (I learned about it in a freshman class I took about unique diseases/conditions), I like to bring it up as an example of how ignorant people be + an example for how complicated the concept of “biological” gender/sex can get. I know women with CAIS can literally go like decades being raised AFAB before ever finding out about their genetic condition (i.e. by not developing a period, or some other indicator resulting in further investigation) since they otherwise develop externally as XX individuals would
please be generous with me I’m not trying to be a debate bro gotcha lord, I’m just wondering why someone with XY chromosomes but complete androgen insensitivity wouldn’t be considered “intersex woman” (and that’s assuming they identify as female to begin with?) but rather a “cis woman”? Is it because they’d likely be assumed to be and raised as female from birth, so their relationship to their gender would be the same as (or at least similar to) a cis woman’s compared to a trans woman’s?
Not that it matters, nobody did a karyogram on her. We just don’t know what her kariotype is, and even if it was XY, it would be irrelevant in regards to her athletic performance, as outlined above.
I mean yeah none of it matters since all she’s guilty of is beating her opponent
I just wanted to know what is accurate in case it’s brought up in conversation? Whether she’s a cis woman caught up in transphobic witch hunts or intersex and caught up in transphobic witch hunts? I guess putting those words together it really doesn’t matter since it’s like “what’s the flavor of bigotry here” but I wouldn’t want to call her cis if she’s not and vice versa, idk lol
cishet dude brain over here but this confuses me, wouldn’t this person be intersex and not a “cis” woman?
You can be inter and cis (or inter and trans, i know several inter trans women). These are just completely different phenomena.
Inter (and its opposite, endo) is a purely biological category. Cis and trans are purely psychosocial ones, as they just mean if your gender identity matches your assigned gender at birth or not. Inter people can be men, women or nonbinary. If a person gets assigned female at birth, is raised as a girl, and identifies as a woman throughout her life, she doesn’t stop being cis when she learns that she had XY chromosomes or internal testes all along, because she meets all the criteria of being cis. It just means she’s an inter cis woman instead of an endo cis woman.
Idk I barely read your comment but cis just means they are the gender they were assigned at birth. Regardless of intersex condition, she was assigned female at birth and identifies as such so she is cis
It really doesn’t, the cutoffs for testorone are fairly low and an actual problem for women with, say, PCOS. It also shows that transphobes do not understand biology beyond a third grade level, because elevated testosterone has fuckall to do with a woman having XY chromosomes, not to mention that a cis woman with XY chromosomes will most likely have some form of androgen insensitivity which would mean that you could dump as much testosterone into her body as possible before it just gets converted into estrogen and it still wouldn’t have a performance-enhancing effect because testosterone just doesn’t work on these people. That’s why they have a female phenotype in spite of the XY kariotype.
Not that it matters, nobody did a karyogram on her. We just don’t know what her kariotype is, and even if it was XY, it would be irrelevant in regards to her athletic performance, as outlined above.
Yeah like testosterone means fuck all because women have testosterone… it’s how they get all their estrogen lmao
cishet dude brain over here but this confuses me, wouldn’t this person be intersex and not a “cis” woman? I’m familiar with CAIS (I learned about it in a freshman class I took about unique diseases/conditions), I like to bring it up as an example of how ignorant people be + an example for how complicated the concept of “biological” gender/sex can get. I know women with CAIS can literally go like decades being raised AFAB before ever finding out about their genetic condition (i.e. by not developing a period, or some other indicator resulting in further investigation) since they otherwise develop externally as XX individuals would
please be generous with me I’m not trying to be a debate bro gotcha lord, I’m just wondering why someone with XY chromosomes but complete androgen insensitivity wouldn’t be considered “intersex woman” (and that’s assuming they identify as female to begin with?) but rather a “cis woman”? Is it because they’d likely be assumed to be and raised as female from birth, so their relationship to their gender would be the same as (or at least similar to) a cis woman’s compared to a trans woman’s?
I mean yeah none of it matters since all she’s guilty of is beating her opponent
I just wanted to know what is accurate in case it’s brought up in conversation? Whether she’s a cis woman caught up in transphobic witch hunts or intersex and caught up in transphobic witch hunts? I guess putting those words together it really doesn’t matter since it’s like “what’s the flavor of bigotry here” but I wouldn’t want to call her cis if she’s not and vice versa, idk lol
You can be inter and cis (or inter and trans, i know several inter trans women). These are just completely different phenomena.
Inter (and its opposite, endo) is a purely biological category. Cis and trans are purely psychosocial ones, as they just mean if your gender identity matches your assigned gender at birth or not. Inter people can be men, women or nonbinary. If a person gets assigned female at birth, is raised as a girl, and identifies as a woman throughout her life, she doesn’t stop being cis when she learns that she had XY chromosomes or internal testes all along, because she meets all the criteria of being cis. It just means she’s an inter cis woman instead of an endo cis woman.
Oh okay got it
Idk I barely read your comment but cis just means they are the gender they were assigned at birth. Regardless of intersex condition, she was assigned female at birth and identifies as such so she is cis